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From: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>
To: Oleksandr <olekstysh@gmail.com>,
	Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Oleksandr Tyshchenko <oleksandr_tyshchenko@epam.com>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>,
	Julien Grall <julien@xen.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 6/6] arm/xen: Assign xen-virtio DMA ops for virtio devices in Xen guests
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 16:48:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b68163be-ad43-7773-22ff-e83191886626@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6a04cc34-fbb3-44d8-c1a4-03bda5b3deb1@gmail.com>


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On 19.04.22 14:17, Oleksandr wrote:
> 
> Hello Stefano, Juergen
> 
> 
> On 18.04.22 22:11, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Apr 2022, Oleksandr wrote:
>>> On 16.04.22 09:07, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Christoph
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2022 at 03:02:45PM -0700, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
>>>>> This makes sense overall. Considering that the swiotlb-xen case and the
>>>>> virtio case are mutually exclusive, I would write it like this:
>>>> Curious question:  Why can't the same grant scheme also be used for
>>>> non-virtio devices?  I really hate having virtio hooks in the arch
>>>> dma code.  Why can't Xen just say in DT/ACPI that grants can be used
>>>> for a given device?
>> [...]
>>
>>> This patch series tries to make things work with "virtio" devices in Xen
>>> system without introducing any modifications to code under drivers/virtio.
>>
>> Actually, I think Christoph has a point.
>>
>> There is nothing inherently virtio specific in this patch series or in
>> the "xen,dev-domid" device tree binding.
> 
> 
> Although the main intention of this series was to enable using virtio devices in 
> Xen guests, I agree that nothing in new DMA ops layer (xen-virtio.c) is virtio 
> specific (at least at the moment). Regarding the whole patch series I am not 
> quite sure, as it uses arch_has_restricted_virtio_memory_access(). >
>>   Assuming a given device is
>> emulated by a Xen backend, it could be used with grants as well.
>>
>> For instance, we could provide an emulated e1000 NIC with a
>> "xen,dev-domid" property in device tree. Linux could use grants with it
>> and the backend could map the grants. It would work the same way as
>> virtio-net/block/etc. Passthrough devices wouldn't have the
>> "xen,dev-domid" property, so no problems.
>>
>> So I think we could easily generalize this work and expand it to any
>> device. We just need to hook on the "xen,dev-domid" device tree
>> property.
>>
>> I think it is just a matter of:
>> - remove the "virtio,mmio" check from xen_is_virtio_device
>> - rename xen_is_virtio_device to something more generic, like
>>    xen_is_grants_device

xen_is_grants_dma_device, please. Normal Xen PV devices are covered by
grants, too, and I'd like to avoid the confusion arising from this.

>> - rename xen_virtio_setup_dma_ops to something more generic, like
>>    xen_grants_setup_dma_ops
>>
>> And that's pretty much it.
> 
> + likely renaming everything in that patch series not to mention virtio (mostly 
> related to xen-virtio.c internals).
> 
> 
> Stefano, thank you for clarifying Christoph's point.
> 
> Well, I am not against going this direction. Could we please make a decision on 
> this? @Juergen, what is your opinion?

Yes, why not.

Maybe rename xen-virtio.c to grant-dma.c?

I'd keep the XEN_VIRTIO related config option, as this will be the normal use
case. grant-dma.c should be covered by a new hidden config option XEN_GRANT_DMA
selected by XEN_VIRTIO.

CONFIG_XEN_VIRTIO should still guard xen_has_restricted_virtio_memory_access().


Juergen

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-19 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-14 19:19 [RFC PATCH 0/6] virtio: Solution to restrict memory access under Xen using xen-virtio DMA ops layer Oleksandr Tyshchenko
2022-04-14 19:19 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] xen/grants: support allocating consecutive grants Oleksandr Tyshchenko
2022-04-14 19:19 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] virtio: add option to restrict memory access under Xen Oleksandr Tyshchenko
     [not found]   ` <5A795507-715D-494B-B56B-B12E5BE348A4@zytor.com>
2022-04-15 15:20     ` Oleksandr
     [not found]   ` <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2204151235440.915916@ubuntu-linux-20-04-desktop>
2022-04-17 17:02     ` Oleksandr
2022-04-18 19:11       ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-04-19  6:21         ` Juergen Gross
2022-04-19  6:37           ` Oleksandr
2022-04-14 19:19 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] dt-bindings: xen: Add xen, dev-domid property description for xen-virtio layer Oleksandr Tyshchenko
     [not found]   ` <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2204151300130.915916@ubuntu-linux-20-04-desktop>
2022-04-17 17:24     ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] dt-bindings: xen: Add xen,dev-domid " Oleksandr
2022-04-14 19:19 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] virtio: Various updates to xen-virtio DMA ops layer Oleksandr Tyshchenko
2022-04-15 22:02   ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-04-17 18:21     ` Oleksandr
2022-04-18 19:11       ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-04-19  6:58         ` Juergen Gross
2022-04-19  7:07           ` Oleksandr
2022-04-16  6:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-17 18:39     ` Oleksandr
2022-04-14 19:19 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] arm/xen: Introduce xen_setup_dma_ops() Oleksandr Tyshchenko
2022-04-15 22:02   ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-04-17 18:43     ` Oleksandr
2022-04-14 19:19 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] arm/xen: Assign xen-virtio DMA ops for virtio devices in Xen guests Oleksandr Tyshchenko
2022-04-15 22:02   ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-04-16  6:07     ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-17 21:05       ` Oleksandr
2022-04-18 19:11         ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-04-19 12:17           ` Oleksandr
2022-04-19 14:48             ` Juergen Gross [this message]
2022-04-19 17:11               ` Oleksandr
2022-04-20  0:23                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-04-20  9:00                   ` Oleksandr
2022-04-20 22:49                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2022-04-17 19:20     ` Oleksandr
2022-04-15  7:41 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] virtio: Solution to restrict memory access under Xen using xen-virtio DMA ops layer Christoph Hellwig
2022-04-15 10:04   ` Oleksandr
2022-04-15  8:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-04-15 15:29   ` Oleksandr

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