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From: Dmitry Baryshkov <dmitry.baryshkov@linaro.org>
To: neil.armstrong@linaro.org
Cc: Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@bgdev.pl>,
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	 Bartosz Golaszewski <bartosz.golaszewski@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/18] power: sequencing: implement the subsystem and add first users
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 12:26:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA8EJpq=iyOfYzNATRbpqfBaYSdJV1Ao5t2ewLK+wY+vEaFYAQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4d2a6f16-bb48-4d4e-b8fd-7e4b14563ffa@linaro.org>

On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 at 11:42, <neil.armstrong@linaro.org> wrote:
>
> On 19/02/2024 10:22, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 at 10:14, Neil Armstrong <neil.armstrong@linaro.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 18/02/2024 13:53, Dmitry Baryshkov wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 at 22:33, Bartosz Golaszewski <brgl@bgdev.pl> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Bartosz Golaszewski <bartosz.golaszewski@linaro.org>
> >>>>
> >>>> First, I'd like to apologize for the somewhat chaotic previous iterations
> >>>> of this series and improper versioning which was rightfully pointed out
> >>>> to me. I figured that the scope changed so much that it didn't make sense
> >>>> to consider previous submissions part of the same series as the original
> >>>> RFC but others thought otherwise so this one becomes v5 and I'll keep the
> >>>> versioning going forward.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is the summary of the work so far:
> >>>>
> >>>> v1: Original RFC:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240104130123.37115-1-brgl@bgdev.pl/T/
> >>>>
> >>>> v2: First real patch series (should have been PATCH v2) adding what I
> >>>>       referred to back then as PCI power sequencing:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-arm-kernel/2024021413-grumbling-unlivable-c145@gregkh/T/
> >>>>
> >>>> v3: RFC for the DT representation of the PMU supplying the WLAN and BT
> >>>>       modules inside the QCA6391 package (was largely separate from the
> >>>>       series but probably should have been called PATCH or RFC v3):
> >>>>
> >>>> https://lore.kernel.org/all/CAMRc=Mc+GNoi57eTQg71DXkQKjdaoAmCpB=h2ndEpGnmdhVV-Q@mail.gmail.com/T/
> >>>>
> >>>> v4: Second attempt at the full series with changed scope (introduction of
> >>>>       the pwrseq subsystem, should have been RFC v4)
> >>>>
> >>>> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240201155532.49707-1-brgl@bgdev.pl/T/
> >>>>
> >>>> ===
> >>>>
> >>>> With that out of the way, I'd like to get down to explaining the two
> >>>> problems I'm trying to solve.
> >>>>
> >>>> Problem statement #1: Dynamic bus chicken-and-egg problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> Certain on-board PCI devices need to be powered up before they are can be
> >>>> detected but their PCI drivers won't get bound until the device is
> >>>> powered-up so enabling the relevant resources in the PCI device driver
> >>>> itself is impossible.
> >>>>
> >>>> Problem statement #2: Sharing inter-dependent resources between devices.
> >>>>
> >>>> Certain devices that use separate drivers (often on different busses)
> >>>> share resources (regulators, clocks, etc.). Typically these resources
> >>>> are reference-counted but in some cases there are additional interactions
> >>>> between them to consider, for example specific power-up sequence timings.
> >>>>
> >>>> ===
> >>>>
> >>>> The reason for tackling both of these problems in a single series is the
> >>>> fact the the platform I'm working on - Qualcomm RB5 - deals with both and
> >>>> both need to be addressed in order to enable WLAN and Bluetooth support
> >>>> upstream.
> >>>>
> >>>> The on-board WLAN/BT package - QCA6391 - has a Power Management Unit that
> >>>> takes inputs from the host and exposes LDO outputs consumed by the BT and
> >>>> WLAN modules which can be powered-up and down independently. However
> >>>> a delay of 100ms must be respected between enabling the BT- and
> >>>> WLAN-enable GPIOs[*].
> >>>>
> >>>> ===
> >>>>
> >>>> This series is logically split into several sections. I'll go
> >>>> patch-by-patch and explain each step.
> >>>>
> >>>> Patch 1/18:
> >>>>
> >>>> This is a commit taken from the list by Jonathan Cameron that adds
> >>>> a __free() helper for OF nodes. Not strictly related to the series but
> >>>> until said commit ends in next, I need to carry it with this series.
> >>>>
> >>>> Patch 2/18:
> >>>>
> >>>> This enables the ath12k PCI module in arm64 defconfig as Qualcomm sm8650
> >>>> and sm8550 reference platforms use it in the WCN7850 module.
> >>>>
> >>>> Patches 3/18-6/18:
> >>>>
> >>>> These contain all relevant DT bindings changes. We add new documents for
> >>>> the QCA6390 PMU and ATH12K devices as well as extend the bindings for the
> >>>> Qualcomm Bluetooth and ATH11K modules with regulators used by them in
> >>>> QCA6390.
> >>>>
> >>>> Patches 7/18-9/18:
> >>>>
> >>>> These contain changes to device-tree sources for the three platforms we
> >>>> work with in this series. As the WCN7850 module doesn't require any
> >>>> specific timings introducing dependencies between the Bluetooth and WLAN
> >>>> modules, while the QCA6390 does, we take two different approaches to how
> >>>> me model them in DT.
> >>>>
> >>>> For WCN7850 we hide the existence of the PMU as modeling it is simply not
> >>>> necessary. The BT and WLAN devices on the device-tree are represented as
> >>>> consuming the inputs (relevant to the functionality of each) of the PMU
> >>>> directly.
> >>>
> >>> We are describing the hardware. From the hardware point of view, there
> >>> is a PMU. I think at some point we would really like to describe all
> >>> Qualcomm/Atheros WiFI+BT units using this PMU approach, including the
> >>> older ath10k units present on RB3 (WCN3990) and db820c (QCA6174).
> >>
> >> While I agree with older WiFi+BT units, I don't think it's needed for
> >> WCN7850 since BT+WiFi are now designed to be fully independent and PMU is
> >> transparent.
> >
> > I don't see any significant difference between WCN6750/WCN6855 and
> > WCN7850 from the PMU / power up point of view. Could you please point
> > me to the difference?
> >
>
> The WCN7850 datasheet clearly states there's not contraint on the WLAN_EN
> and BT_EN ordering and the only requirement is to have all input regulators
> up before pulling up WLAN_EN and/or BT_EN.
>
> This makes the PMU transparent and BT and WLAN can be described as independent.

From the hardware perspective, there is a PMU. It has several LDOs. So
the device tree should have the same style as the previous
generations.

-- 
With best wishes
Dmitry

  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-19 10:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-16 20:31 [PATCH v5 00/18] power: sequencing: implement the subsystem and add first users Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 20:31 ` [PATCH v5 01/18] of: Add cleanup.h based auto release via __free(device_node) markings Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 20:31 ` [PATCH v5 02/18] arm64: defconfig: enable ath12k as a module Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-19  7:31   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2024-02-19  7:56     ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 03/18] dt-bindings: regulator: describe the PMU module of the QCA6390 package Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-17 15:48   ` Mark Brown
2024-02-17 18:32     ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-17 20:43       ` Mark Brown
2024-02-19  7:32       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2024-02-19 12:53         ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-19 21:23           ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2024-02-19  7:34   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 04/18] dt-bindings: net: bluetooth: qualcomm: describe regulators for QCA6390 Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-19  7:34   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 05/18] dt-bindings: new: wireless: qcom,ath11k: describe the ath11k on QCA6390 Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 06/18] dt-bindings: new: wireless: describe the ath12k PCI module Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-17  6:34   ` Kalle Valo
2024-02-17 18:30     ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-17 20:02       ` Jeff Johnson
2024-02-19  7:38   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2024-02-22 23:56   ` Rob Herring
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 07/18] arm64: dts: qcom: sm8550-qrd: add the Wifi node Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 08/18] arm64: dts: qcom: sm8650-qrd: " Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 23:09   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-02-17 18:53     ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 09/18] arm64: dts: qcom: qrb5165-rb5: model the PMU of the QCA6391 Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-19 18:03   ` Mark Brown
2024-02-19 18:48     ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-19 19:59       ` Mark Brown
2024-02-20 11:16         ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-20 13:31           ` Mark Brown
2024-02-20 13:38             ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-20 13:48               ` Mark Brown
2024-02-20 13:51                 ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-20 14:10                   ` Mark Brown
2024-02-20 16:30           ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-02-20 17:53             ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-20 18:11               ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 10/18] PCI: hold the rescan mutex when scanning for the first time Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 11/18] PCI/pwrctl: reuse the OF node for power controlled devices Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 12/18] PCI/pwrctl: create platform devices for child OF nodes of the port node Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 13/18] PCI/pwrctl: add PCI power control core code Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 14/18] PCI/pwrctl: add a power control driver for WCN7850 Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-19 17:49   ` Mark Brown
2024-02-20 11:22     ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-20 12:47       ` Mark Brown
2024-02-20 21:21         ` Konrad Dybcio
2024-02-20 23:44           ` Mark Brown
2024-02-22  9:22             ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-22 12:21               ` Mark Brown
2024-02-22 12:26                 ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-22 13:15                   ` Mark Brown
2024-02-22 13:26                     ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 15/18] power: sequencing: implement the pwrseq core Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 16/18] power: pwrseq: add a driver for the QCA6390 PMU module Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 23:17   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-02-17 19:09     ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 17/18] Bluetooth: qca: use the power sequencer for QCA6390 Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-16 20:32 ` [PATCH v5 18/18] PCI/pwrctl: add a PCI power control driver for power sequenced devices Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-18 12:53 ` [PATCH v5 00/18] power: sequencing: implement the subsystem and add first users Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-02-19  8:14   ` Neil Armstrong
2024-02-19  9:22     ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-02-19  9:42       ` neil.armstrong
2024-02-19 10:26         ` Dmitry Baryshkov [this message]
2024-02-19 12:23           ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-19 12:33             ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-02-19 17:18               ` neil.armstrong
2024-02-19 22:21                 ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-02-22 11:00                   ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-22 11:26                     ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-02-22 12:27                       ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-22 12:47                         ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-02-22 12:50                           ` Bartosz Golaszewski
2024-02-22 13:46                             ` neil.armstrong
2024-02-24  8:52                             ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2024-02-19  8:16 ` Neil Armstrong
2024-03-05 12:50 ` Amit Pundir

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