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From: Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>
To: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>
Cc: Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com>,
	Bjorn Andersson <bjorn.andersson@linaro.org>,
	David Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>,
	Ville Syrjala <ville.syrjala@intel.com>,
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	Thierry Reding <treding@nvidia.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 2/5] drm/dp: Allow an early call to register DDC i2c bus
Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 13:17:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAD=FV=VkwMjXz_vrMHOk1ZOx-gg5yq8cDbRWA-iXojUf+Ffddg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871ra9tvje.fsf@intel.com>

Hi,

On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 4:16 AM Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 07 May 2021, Lyude Paul <lyude@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2021-05-07 at 17:00 -0500, Bjorn Andersson wrote:
> >> On Fri 07 May 16:18 CDT 2021, Lyude Paul wrote:
> >>
> >> > Adding ville from Intel to also get their take on this.
> >> >
> >> > In general we've been trying to move DRM to a design where we don't expose
> >> > any
> >> > devices until everything is ready. That's pretty much the main reason that
> >> > we
> >> > register things during bridge attach time. Note though that even before
> >> > the
> >> > DDC bus is registered it should still be usable, just things like
> >> > get_device()
> >> > won't work.
> >> >
> >> > This isn't the first time we've run into a problem like the one you're
> >> > trying
> >> > to solve though, Tegra currently has a similar issue. Something we
> >> > discussed
> >> > as a possible long-term solution for this was splitting i2c_add_adapter()
> >> > into
> >> > a minimal initialization function and a registration function. Linux's
> >> > device
> >> > core already allows for this (device_initialize() and device_add(), which
> >> > are
> >> > called together when device_register() is called). Would this be a
> >> > solution
> >> > that might work for you (and even better, would you possibly be willing to
> >> > write the patches? :)
> >> >
> >>
> >> It's not enough that the adapter is half-baked, because the bridge's
> >> initialization depends on that the panel device is done probing, and the
> >> panel driver will only complete its probe if it can find it's resources.
> >>
> >> So we need a mechanism to fully create the resources exposed by the
> >> bridge chip (i2c bus, gpio chip and (soon) a pwm chip), then allow the
> >> panel to probe and after that initialize the bridge.
> >>
> >> We did discuss possible ways to register these resources and then
> >> "sleep for a while" before resolving the panel, but what we came up with
> >> was definitely suboptimal - and ugly.
> >
> > Sigh, I'm really starting to wonder if we should reconsider the rules on
> > exposing ddc adapters early...
> >
> > Danvet, Jani, and/or airlied: can I get your take on this?
>
> Granted, I did not study this in detail, but it sounds like we'd need to
> be able to add and use an i2c adapter in kernel, before deciding to
> register it with the userspace. But that does not seem to be as trivial
> as making it possible to call the now-static i2c_register_adapter()
> separately.

To close the loop: I think the point is now moot in v7. Now crossing
my fingers that approach can gain momentum. If not, I might come back
here. ;-)

-Doug

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-17 20:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-03 21:58 [PATCH v6 0/5] drm: Fix EDID reading on ti-sn65dsi86; solve some chicken-and-egg problems Douglas Anderson
2021-05-03 21:58 ` [PATCH v6 1/5] i2c: i2c-core-of: Fix corner case of finding adapter by node Douglas Anderson
2021-05-17 20:16   ` Doug Anderson
2021-05-03 21:58 ` [PATCH v6 2/5] drm/dp: Allow an early call to register DDC i2c bus Douglas Anderson
2021-05-07 21:18   ` Lyude Paul
2021-05-07 22:00     ` Bjorn Andersson
2021-05-07 22:09       ` Lyude Paul
2021-05-14 11:16         ` Jani Nikula
2021-05-17 20:17           ` Doug Anderson [this message]
2021-05-03 21:58 ` [PATCH v6 3/5] drm/bridge: ti-sn65dsi86: Promote the AUX channel to its own sub-dev Douglas Anderson
2021-05-03 21:58 ` [PATCH v6 4/5] drm/bridge: ti-sn65dsi86: Don't read EDID blob over DDC Douglas Anderson
2021-05-03 21:58 ` [PATCH v6 5/5] arm64: dts: qcom: Link the panel to the bridge's DDC bus Douglas Anderson

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