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From: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
To: Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com>
Cc: nhorman@tuxdriver.com, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, aris@redhat.com,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	dhowells@redhat.com,
	Linux-Audit Mailing List <linux-audit@redhat.com>,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, ebiederm@xmission.com,
	simo@redhat.com, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Eric Paris <eparis@parisplace.org>,
	mpatel@redhat.com, Serge Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH ghak90 V9 11/13] audit: contid check descendancy and nesting
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 16:13:45 -0400
Message-ID: <CAHC9VhQ3MVUY8Zs4GNXdaqhiPJBzHW_YcCe=DghAgo7g6yrNBw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200807171025.523i2sxfyfl7dfjy@madcap2.tricolour.ca>

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:10 PM Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 2020-07-05 11:11, Paul Moore wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 9:23 AM Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > Require the target task to be a descendant of the container
> > > orchestrator/engine.

If you want to get formal about this, you need to define "target" in
the sentence above.  Target of what?

FWIW, I read the above to basically mean that a task can only set the
audit container ID of processes which are beneath it in the "process
tree" where the "process tree" is defined as the relationship between
a parent and children processes such that the children processes are
branches below the parent process.

I have no problem with that, with the understanding that nesting
complicates it somewhat.  For example, this isn't true when one of the
children is a nested orchestrator, is it?

> > > You would only change the audit container ID from one set or inherited
> > > value to another if you were nesting containers.

I thought we decided we were going to allow an orchestrator to move a
process between audit container IDs, yes?  no?

> > > If changing the contid, the container orchestrator/engine must be a
> > > descendant and not same orchestrator as the one that set it so it is not
> > > possible to change the contid of another orchestrator's container.

Try rephrasing the above please, it isn't clear to me what you are
trying to say.

> Are we able to agree on the premises above?  Is anything asserted that
> should not be and is there anything missing?

See above.

If you want to go back to the definitions/assumptions stage, it
probably isn't worth worrying about the other comments until we get
the above sorted.

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Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-27 13:20 [PATCH ghak90 V9 00/13] audit: implement container identifier Richard Guy Briggs
2020-06-27 13:20 ` [PATCH ghak90 V9 01/13] audit: collect audit task parameters Richard Guy Briggs
2020-07-05 15:09   ` Paul Moore
2020-07-07  2:50     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-07-08  1:42       ` Paul Moore
2020-07-13 20:29         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-07-14  0:44           ` Paul Moore
2020-06-27 13:20 ` [PATCH ghak90 V9 02/13] audit: add container id Richard Guy Briggs
2020-07-04 13:29   ` Paul Moore
2020-07-04 13:30     ` Paul Moore
2020-07-05 15:09   ` Paul Moore
2020-07-29 20:05     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-08-21 19:36       ` Paul Moore
2020-06-27 13:20 ` [PATCH ghak90 V9 03/13] audit: read container ID of a process Richard Guy Briggs
2020-06-27 13:20 ` [PATCH ghak90 V9 04/13] audit: log drop of contid on exit of last task Richard Guy Briggs
2020-07-05 15:10   ` Paul Moore
2020-06-27 13:20 ` [PATCH ghak90 V9 05/13] audit: log container info of syscalls Richard Guy Briggs
2020-07-05 15:10   ` Paul Moore
2020-07-29 19:40     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-08-21 19:15       ` Paul Moore
2020-10-02 19:52         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-10-21 16:39           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-10-21 16:49             ` Steve Grubb
2020-10-21 17:53               ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-10-23  1:21             ` Paul Moore
2020-10-23 20:40               ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-10-28  1:35                 ` Paul Moore
2020-06-27 13:20 ` [PATCH ghak90 V9 06/13] audit: add contid support for signalling the audit daemon Richard Guy Briggs
2020-07-05 15:10   ` Paul Moore
2020-07-29 19:00     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-08-21 18:48       ` Paul Moore
2020-10-02 19:25         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-06-27 13:20 ` [PATCH ghak90 V9 07/13] audit: add support for non-syscall auxiliary records Richard Guy Briggs
2020-07-05 15:11   ` Paul Moore
2020-06-27 13:20 ` [PATCH ghak90 V9 08/13] audit: add containerid support for user records Richard Guy Briggs
2020-07-05 15:11   ` Paul Moore
2020-07-18  0:43     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-08-21 18:34       ` Paul Moore
2020-06-27 13:20 ` [PATCH ghak90 V9 09/13] audit: add containerid filtering Richard Guy Briggs
2020-06-27 13:20 ` [PATCH ghak90 V9 10/13] audit: add support for containerid to network namespaces Richard Guy Briggs
2020-07-05 15:11   ` Paul Moore
2020-07-21 22:05     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-06-27 13:20 ` [PATCH ghak90 V9 11/13] audit: contid check descendancy and nesting Richard Guy Briggs
2020-07-05 15:11   ` Paul Moore
2020-08-07 17:10     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-08-21 20:13       ` Paul Moore [this message]
2020-10-06 20:03         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2020-06-27 13:20 ` [PATCH ghak90 V9 12/13] audit: track container nesting Richard Guy Briggs
2020-07-05 15:11   ` Paul Moore
2020-06-27 13:20 ` [PATCH ghak90 V9 13/13] audit: add capcontid to set contid outside init_user_ns Richard Guy Briggs
2020-07-05 15:11   ` Paul Moore

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