linux-bcachefs.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	cluster-devel@redhat.com, "Darrick J . Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dhowells@redhat.com,
	linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Cluster-devel] [PATCH 06/32] sched: Add task_struct->faults_disabled_mapping
Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 16:50:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZG/KH9cQluA5e30N@moria.home.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZG8jJRcwtx3JQf6Q@infradead.org>

On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 01:58:13AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 04:09:02AM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> > > Well, it seems like you are talking about something else than the
> > > existing cases in gfs2 and btrfs, that is you want full consistency
> > > between direct I/O and buffered I/O.  That's something nothing in the
> > > kernel has ever provided, so I'd be curious why you think you need it
> > > and want different semantics from everyone else?
> > 
> > Because I like code that is correct.
> 
> Well, start with explaining your definition of correctness, why everyone
> else is "not correct", an how you can help fixing this correctness
> problem in the existing kernel.  Thanks for your cooperation!

A cache that isn't actually consistent is a _bug_. You're being
Obsequious. And any time this has come up in previous discussions
(including at LSF), that was never up for debate, the only question has
been whether it was even possible to practically fix it.

The DIO code recognizes cache incoherency as something to be avoided by
shooting down the page cache both at the beginning of the IO _and again
at the end_.  That's the kind of obvious hackery for a race condition
that we would like to avoid.

Regarding the consequences of this kind of bug - stale data exposed to
userspace, possibly stale data overwriting a write we acked, and worse
any filesystem state that hangs off the page cache being inconsistent
with the data on disk.

And look, we've been over all this before, so I don't see what this adds
to the discussion.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-25 20:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 186+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-09 16:56 [PATCH 00/32] bcachefs - a new COW filesystem Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 01/32] Compiler Attributes: add __flatten Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 17:04   ` Miguel Ojeda
2023-05-09 17:24     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 02/32] locking/lockdep: lock_class_is_held() Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 19:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-09 20:11     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 03/32] locking/lockdep: lockdep_set_no_check_recursion() Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 19:31   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-09 19:57     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 20:18     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 20:27       ` Waiman Long
2023-05-09 20:35         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 21:37           ` Waiman Long
2023-05-10  8:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-10 20:38         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-11  8:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-11  9:32             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-12 20:49         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 04/32] locking: SIX locks (shared/intent/exclusive) Kent Overstreet
2023-05-11 12:14   ` Jan Engelhardt
2023-05-12 20:58     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-12 22:39       ` Jan Engelhardt
2023-05-12 23:26         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-12 23:49           ` Randy Dunlap
2023-05-13  0:17             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-13  0:45               ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-13  0:51                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-14 12:15   ` Jeff Layton
2023-05-15  2:39     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 05/32] MAINTAINERS: Add entry for six locks Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 06/32] sched: Add task_struct->faults_disabled_mapping Kent Overstreet
2023-05-10  1:07   ` Jan Kara
2023-05-10  6:18     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-23 13:34       ` Jan Kara
2023-05-23 16:21         ` [Cluster-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2023-05-23 16:35           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-24  6:43             ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-05-24  8:09               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-25  8:58                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-05-25 20:50                   ` Kent Overstreet [this message]
2023-05-26  8:06                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-05-26  8:34                       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-25 21:40                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-25 22:25           ` Andreas Grünbacher
2023-05-25 23:20             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-26  0:05               ` Andreas Grünbacher
2023-05-26  0:39                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-26  8:10               ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-05-26  8:38                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-23 16:49         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-25  8:47           ` Jan Kara
2023-05-25 21:36             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-25 22:45             ` Andreas Grünbacher
2023-05-25 22:04         ` Andreas Grünbacher
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 07/32] mm: Bring back vmalloc_exec Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 18:19   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-05-09 20:15     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 20:46   ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-05-09 21:12     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-05-09 21:29       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-10  6:48         ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-12 18:36           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-13  1:57             ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-13 19:28               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-14  5:45               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-14 18:43                 ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-15  5:38                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-15  6:13                     ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-15  6:18                       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-15  7:13                         ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-15  7:26                           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-21 21:33                             ` Eric Biggers
2023-05-21 22:04                               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-15 10:29                 ` David Laight
2023-05-10 11:56         ` David Laight
2023-05-09 21:43       ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-05-09 21:54         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-11  5:33           ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-05-11  5:44             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-13 13:25       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2023-05-14 18:39         ` Christophe Leroy
2023-05-14 23:43           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-15  4:45             ` Christophe Leroy
2023-05-15  5:02               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-10 14:18   ` Christophe Leroy
2023-05-10 15:05   ` Johannes Thumshirn
2023-05-11 22:28     ` Kees Cook
2023-05-12 18:41       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-16 21:02         ` Kees Cook
2023-05-16 21:20           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-16 21:47             ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-05-16 21:57               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-17  5:28               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-17 14:04                 ` Mike Rapoport
2023-05-17 14:18                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-17 15:44                     ` Mike Rapoport
2023-05-17 15:59                       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-17  4:13             ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-17 15:34               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-17 19:19                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-17 20:08                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-17 20:35                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-19 19:45                 ` Kees Cook
2023-06-20  0:39                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-19  9:19   ` Mark Rutland
2023-06-19 10:47     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-19 12:47       ` Mark Rutland
2023-06-19 19:17         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-20 17:42           ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-20 18:08             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-20 18:15               ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-20 18:48                 ` Dave Hansen
2023-06-20 20:18                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-20 20:42                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-20 22:32                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-06-20 22:43                       ` Nadav Amit
2023-06-21  1:27                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 08/32] fs: factor out d_mark_tmpfile() Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 09/32] block: Add some exports for bcachefs Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 10/32] block: Allow bio_iov_iter_get_pages() with bio->bi_bdev unset Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 11/32] block: Bring back zero_fill_bio_iter Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 12/32] block: Rework bio_for_each_segment_all() Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 13/32] block: Rework bio_for_each_folio_all() Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 14/32] block: Don't block on s_umount from __invalidate_super() Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 15/32] bcache: move closures to lib/ Kent Overstreet
2023-05-10  1:10   ` Randy Dunlap
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 16/32] MAINTAINERS: Add entry for closures Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 17:05   ` Coly Li
2023-05-09 21:03   ` Randy Dunlap
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 17/32] closures: closure_wait_event() Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 18/32] closures: closure_nr_remaining() Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 19/32] closures: Add a missing include Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 20/32] vfs: factor out inode hash head calculation Kent Overstreet
2023-05-23  9:27   ` (subset) " Christian Brauner
2023-05-23 22:53     ` Dave Chinner
2023-05-24  6:44       ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-05-24  7:35         ` Dave Chinner
2023-05-24  8:31           ` Christian Brauner
2023-05-24  8:41             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 21/32] hlist-bl: add hlist_bl_fake() Kent Overstreet
2023-05-10  4:48   ` Dave Chinner
2023-05-23  9:27   ` (subset) " Christian Brauner
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 22/32] vfs: inode cache conversion to hash-bl Kent Overstreet
2023-05-10  4:45   ` Dave Chinner
2023-05-16 15:45     ` Christian Brauner
2023-05-16 16:17       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-16 23:15         ` Dave Chinner
2023-05-22 13:04           ` Christian Brauner
2023-05-23  9:28   ` (subset) " Christian Brauner
2023-10-19 15:30     ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-10-19 15:59       ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-10-20 11:38         ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-20 17:49           ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-10-21 12:13             ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-10-23  5:10             ` Dave Chinner
2023-10-27 17:13               ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-10-27 18:36                 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-10-31 11:02                 ` Christian Brauner
2023-10-31 11:31                   ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-11-02  2:36                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-11-04 20:51                     ` Dave Chinner
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 23/32] iov_iter: copy_folio_from_iter_atomic() Kent Overstreet
2023-05-10  2:20   ` kernel test robot
2023-05-11  2:08   ` kernel test robot
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 24/32] MAINTAINERS: Add entry for generic-radix-tree Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 21:03   ` Randy Dunlap
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 25/32] lib/generic-radix-tree.c: Don't overflow in peek() Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 26/32] lib/generic-radix-tree.c: Add a missing include Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 27/32] lib/generic-radix-tree.c: Add peek_prev() Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 28/32] stacktrace: Export stack_trace_save_tsk Kent Overstreet
2023-06-19  9:10   ` Mark Rutland
2023-06-19 11:16     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 29/32] lib/string_helpers: string_get_size() now returns characters wrote Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12 19:58   ` Kees Cook
2023-07-12 20:19     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12 22:38       ` Kees Cook
2023-07-12 23:53         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12 20:23     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 30/32] lib: Export errname Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 31/32] lib: add mean and variance module Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 16:56 ` [PATCH 32/32] MAINTAINERS: Add entry for bcachefs Kent Overstreet
2023-05-09 21:04   ` Randy Dunlap
2023-05-09 21:07     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-15 20:41 ` [PATCH 00/32] bcachefs - a new COW filesystem Pavel Machek
2023-06-15 21:26   ` Kent Overstreet

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=ZG/KH9cQluA5e30N@moria.home.lan \
    --to=kent.overstreet@linux.dev \
    --cc=cluster-devel@redhat.com \
    --cc=dhowells@redhat.com \
    --cc=djwong@kernel.org \
    --cc=hch@infradead.org \
    --cc=jack@suse.cz \
    --cc=kent.overstreet@gmail.com \
    --cc=linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).