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From: Sowjanya Komatineni <skomatineni@nvidia.com>
To: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>
Cc: Jon Hunter <jonathanh@nvidia.com>,
	Bitan Biswas <bbiswas@nvidia.com>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	Naresh Kamboju <naresh.kamboju@linaro.org>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	linux-block <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	<lkft-triage@lists.linaro.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Faiz Abbas <faiz_abbas@ti.com>,
	Thierry Reding <treding@nvidia.com>,
	Anders Roxell <anders.roxell@linaro.org>, Kishon <kishon@ti.com>
Subject: Re: LKFT: arm x15: mmc1: cache flush error -110
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 10:35:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0301bbd5-8d4d-4a77-42c7-8a1391c2d60a@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPDyKFqwVQDEnPNi33mc9ycTxpaT1cRLejbR3Ja4c8dha4gFRw@mail.gmail.com>


On 3/6/20 3:14 AM, Ulf Hansson wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>> Actually we always use R1B with CMD6 as per spec.
>>>>>>>>>> I fully agree that R1B is preferable, but it's not against the
>>>>>>>>>> spec to
>>>>>>>>>> send CMD13 to poll for busy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Moreover, we need to cope with the scenario when the host has
>>>>>>>>>> specified a maximum timeout that isn't sufficiently long enough for
>>>>>>>>>> the requested operation. Do you have another proposal for how to
>>>>>>>>>> manage this, but disabling MMC_RSP_BUSY?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume you driver would get a R1B for the CMD6 (we force it),
>>>>>>>>>> then what timeout would the driver be using if we would set
>>>>>>>>>> cmd.busy_timeout to 30ms?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Sorry didn't understood clearly. Are you asking with 30s timeout, whats
>>>> the data timeout counter used?
>>> Yes. It seems like it will pick the maximum, which is 11s?
>> yes
> Okay, thanks!
>
>>>> Because of above mentioned issue on our host where CMD interrupt happens
>>>> after busy state, poll for busy returns right away as not busy.
>>> I see.
>>>
>>>> So issuing CMD13 after CMD6-R1 followed by busy poll should be working.
>>>> But weird that with small delay of 1ms or debug print before CMD13 it
>>>> doesn't timeout and works all the time.
>>> I have digested the information you provided in these emails. Let me
>>> summarize it, to see if I have understood correctly.
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> Your controller can't distinguish between R1 and R1B because of a
>>> limitation in the HW. So, in both cases you need to wait for the card
>>> to stop signal busy, before the controller can give an IRQ to notify
>>> that the R1 response has been received. Correct?
>>>
>>> In this context, I am wondering if sdhci_send_command(), really
>>> conforms to these requirements. For example, depending on if the CMD6
>>> has MMC_RSP_BUSY or not, it may pick either SDHCI_CMD_RESP_SHORT or
>>> SDHCI_CMD_RESP_SHORT_BUSY.
>>>
>>> Does this work as expected for your case?
>> Design team re-verified internally and bug where HW waits for busy state
>> before IRQ is only for R1B and R1 is spec compliant.
>>
>> So, with R1, CMD complete is generated after response received.
> Okay.
>
> So, the issue we see for CMD6 with R1, is a software problem that we
> should be able to fix.
>
>> With R1B, CMD complete and xfer complete both are generated after
>> response received + device busy (max timeout of 11s)
>> DATA timeout interrupt will be asserted incase if HW busy detection fails.
>>
>> With R1B we may see DATA Timeout if operation takes more than max busy
>> timeout of 11s.
> Okay, I see.
>
>>> 2.
>>> Assuming my interpretation of the above is somewhat correct. Then you
>>> always need to set a busy timeout for R1/R1B responses in the
>>> controller. The maximum timeout seems to be 11s long. Obviously, this
>>> isn't enough for all cases, such as cache flushing and erase, for
>>> example. So, what can we do to support a longer timeouts than 11s?
>>> Would it be possible to disable the HW timeout, if the requested
>>> timeout is longer than 11s and use a SW timeout instead?
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Uffe
>> For erase long operations we have register bit to enable for infinite
>> busy wait mode where host controller would be monitoring until card is busy.
> Alright, that sounds great!
>
>> But so far for emmc devices we used on our platforms, we haven't seen
>> cache flush taking more than 11s.
> I understand that 11s is probably fine to use, for most cases.
>
> However, it's not spec compliant, as for some operations there are
> simply no timeout specified. BKOPS, cache flush, sanitize are cases
> like this - and then 11s is definitely not sufficient.
>
>> Will get back on possibility of disabling HW timeout and using SW timeout..
> Thanks!
>
> I would like to get the regression fixed asap, but I also would like
> to avoid reverting patches, unless really necessary. May I propose the
> following two options.
>
> 1. Find out why polling with ->card_busy() or CMD13, for a CMD6 with
> an R1 response doesn't work - and then fix that behaviour.
>
> 2. Set the mmc->max_busy_timeout to zero for sdhci-tegra, which makes
> the core to always use R1B for CMD6 (and erase). This also means that
> when the cmd->busy_timeout becomes longer than 11s, sdhci-tegra must
> disable the HW busy timeout and just wait "forever".
>
> If you decide for 2, you can add the software timeout support on top,
> but make that can be considered as a next step of an improvement,
> rather than needed as fix. Note that, I believe there are some support
> for software timeout already in the sdhci core, maybe you need to
> tweak it a bit for your case, I don't know.
>
> Kind regards
> Uffe

Hi Uffe

Will go with 2nd option and will send patches out when ready.

BTW, Tegra host also supports SDHCI_QUIRK_DATA_TIMEOUT_USES_SDCLK for 
data timeout based on host clock when using finite mode (HW busy 
detection based on DATA TIMEOUT count value when cmd operation timeout 
is < 11s for tegra host).

So, looks like we cant set host max_busy_timeout to 0 for Tegra host to 
force R1B during SWITCH and SLEEP_AWAKE.

So, was thinking to introduce host capability MMC_CAP2_LONG_WAIT_HW_BUSY 
which can be used for hosts supporting long or infinite HW busy wait 
detection and will update mmc and mmc_ops drivers to not allow convert 
R1B to R1B for hosts with this capability during SLEEP_AWAKE and SWITCH.

Thanks

Sowjanya


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-03-09 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-13 15:42 LKFT: arm x15: mmc1: cache flush error -110 Naresh Kamboju
2020-02-14  9:09 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-14 12:09   ` Mark Brown
2020-02-19 16:23 ` Ulf Hansson
2020-02-20 17:54   ` Naresh Kamboju
2020-02-21  9:48     ` Ulf Hansson
2020-02-21 19:44       ` Bitan Biswas
2020-02-24 11:16         ` Ulf Hansson
2020-02-24 12:59           ` Adrian Hunter
2020-02-25 10:04           ` Jon Hunter
2020-02-25 11:35             ` Ulf Hansson
2020-02-25 11:41             ` Jon Hunter
2020-02-25 14:26               ` Ulf Hansson
2020-02-25 16:24                 ` Jon Hunter
2020-02-26 15:21                   ` Ulf Hansson
2020-02-26 17:04                     ` Jon Hunter
2020-03-02 13:12                     ` Faiz Abbas
2020-03-02 16:50                       ` Ulf Hansson
2020-03-03 21:35                         ` Ulf Hansson
     [not found]                         ` <5e9b5646-bd48-e55b-54ee-1c2c41fc9218@nvidia.com>
2020-03-04 10:18                           ` Ulf Hansson
2020-03-04 10:32                             ` Ulf Hansson
2020-03-04 16:56                             ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-03-04 17:21                               ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-03-04 17:26                                 ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-03-04 17:51                                   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-03-04 22:35                                     ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-03-05  0:20                                       ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-03-05  3:06                                         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-03-05 13:05                                         ` Ulf Hansson
2020-03-06  2:44                                           ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-03-06 11:14                                             ` Ulf Hansson
2020-03-09 14:07                                               ` Faiz Abbas
2020-03-09 15:57                                                 ` Ulf Hansson
2020-03-09 17:35                                               ` Sowjanya Komatineni [this message]
2020-03-10  9:46                                                 ` Ulf Hansson
2020-03-10 16:59                                                   ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-03-10 17:09                                                     ` Ulf Hansson
2020-03-10 17:27                                                       ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-03-10 21:59                                                         ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-03-10 23:10                                                           ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-03-11  0:22                                                             ` Sowjanya Komatineni
2020-03-11  8:34                                                               ` Ulf Hansson
2020-03-19 19:12                                                                 ` Naresh Kamboju
2020-03-20  9:20                                                                   ` Ulf Hansson
2020-03-20  9:49                                                                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman

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