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From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
To: Evan Green <evgreen@chromium.org>
Cc: tom.leiming@gmail.com, axboe@kernel.dk,
	Gwendal Grignou <gwendal@chromium.org>,
	asavery@chromium.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] loop: Better discard support for block devices
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 09:28:38 +0800
Message-ID: <20181128012837.GC11128@ming.t460p> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAE=gft55MVc7JGJw427VByihrgw1yYDFYCxuqUOh4xm5P4ZoAA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 03:34:04PM -0800, Evan Green wrote:
> Hi Ming,
> 
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 6:55 PM Ming Lei <tom.leiming@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 2:55 AM Evan Green <evgreen@chromium.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 4:06 PM Evan Green <evgreen@chromium.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If the backing device for a loop device is a block device,
> >
> > This shouldn't be a very common use case wrt. loop.
> 
> Yeah, I'm starting to gather that. Or maybe I'm just the first one to
> mention it on the kernel lists ;) We've used this in our Chrome OS
> installer, I believe for many years. Gwendal piped in with a few
> reasons we do it this way on the cover letter, but in general I think
> it allows us to have a unified set of functions to install to a file,
> disk, or prepare an image that may have a different block size than
> those on the running system.

OK, got it, it makes sense.

> 
> >
> > > > then mirror the discard properties of the underlying block
> > > > device into the loop device. While in there, differentiate
> > > > between REQ_OP_DISCARD and REQ_OP_WRITE_ZEROES, which are
> > > > different for block devices, but which the loop device had
> > > > just been lumping together.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Evan Green <evgreen@chromium.org>
> > >
> > > Any thoughts on this patch? This fixes issues for us when using a loop
> > > device backed by a block device, where we see many logs like:
> > >
> > > [  372.767286] print_req_error: I/O error, dev loop5, sector 88125696
> >
> > Seems not see any explanation about this IO error and the fix in your patch.
> > Could you describe it a bit more?
> 
> Sure, I probably should have included more context with the series.
> 
> The loop device always reports that it supports discard, by setting up
> the max_discard_sectors and max_write_zeroes_sectors in the blk queue.
> When the loop device gets a discard or write-zeroes request, it turns
> around and calls fallocate on the underlying device with the
> PUNCH_HOLE flag. This makes sense when you're backed by a file and
> hoping to just deallocate the space, but may fail when you're backed
> by a block device that doesn't support discard, or doesn't write
> zeroes to discarded sectors. Weirdly, lo_discard already had some code
> for preserving EOPNOTSUPP, but then later the error is smashed into
> EIO. Patch 1 pipes out EOPNOTSUPP properly, so it doesn't get squashed
> into EIO.
> 
> Patch 2 reflects the discard characteristics of the underlying device
> into the loop device. That way, if you're backed by a file or a block
> device that does support discard, everything works great, and user
> mode can even see and use the correct discard and write zero
> granularities. If you're backed by a block device that does not
> support discard, this is exposed to user mode, which then usually
> avoids calling fallocate, and doesn't feel betrayed that their
> requests are unexpectedly failing.

Thanks for your detailed explanation, and I think we need to fix it.

Thanks,
Ming

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Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-30 23:06 [PATCH 0/2] loop: Better discard " Evan Green
2018-10-30 23:06 ` [PATCH 1/2] loop: Report EOPNOTSUPP properly Evan Green
2018-11-28  1:06   ` Ming Lei
2018-10-30 23:06 ` [PATCH 2/2] loop: Better discard support for block devices Evan Green
2018-11-26 18:53   ` Evan Green
2018-11-27  2:55     ` Ming Lei
2018-11-27 23:34       ` Evan Green
2018-11-28  1:28         ` Ming Lei [this message]
2018-11-28  1:26   ` Ming Lei
2018-12-04 22:19     ` Evan Green
2018-12-05  1:10       ` Ming Lei
2018-12-05 19:35         ` Evan Green
2018-12-06  0:22           ` Ming Lei
2018-12-06  3:15           ` Martin K. Petersen
2018-12-10 17:31             ` Evan Green
2018-12-18 23:48               ` Evan Green
2018-10-30 23:50 ` [PATCH 0/2] loop: Better discard " Bart Van Assche
2018-11-01 18:15   ` Evan Green
2018-11-01 22:41     ` Gwendal Grignou
2018-11-01 22:44     ` Gwendal Grignou
2018-11-02 16:02       ` Bart Van Assche
2018-11-05 20:35         ` Evan Green
2020-03-17 15:11 [PATCH 0/2] loop: Better discard support " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-03-17 15:11 ` [PATCH 2/2] " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz

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