From: Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>
To: Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Danil Kipnis <danil.kipnis@cloud.ionos.com>,
Jack Wang <jinpuwang@gmail.com>,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org,
axboe@kernel.dk, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>,
bvanassche@acm.org, jgg@mellanox.com, dledford@redhat.com,
Roman Pen <r.peniaev@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/25] InfiniBand Transport (IBTRS) and Network Block Device (IBNBD)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:32:45 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190709133245.GT7034@mtr-leonro.mtl.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190709111737.GB6719@kroah.com>
On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 01:17:37PM +0200, Greg KH wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 02:00:36PM +0300, Leon Romanovsky wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 11:55:03AM +0200, Danil Kipnis wrote:
> > > Hallo Doug, Hallo Jason, Hallo Jens, Hallo Greg,
> > >
> > > Could you please provide some feedback to the IBNBD driver and the
> > > IBTRS library?
> > > So far we addressed all the requests provided by the community and
> > > continue to maintain our code up-to-date with the upstream kernel
> > > while having an extra compatibility layer for older kernels in our
> > > out-of-tree repository.
> > > I understand that SRP and NVMEoF which are in the kernel already do
> > > provide equivalent functionality for the majority of the use cases.
> > > IBNBD on the other hand is showing higher performance and more
> > > importantly includes the IBTRS - a general purpose library to
> > > establish connections and transport BIO-like read/write sg-lists over
> > > RDMA, while SRP is targeting SCSI and NVMEoF is addressing NVME. While
> > > I believe IBNBD does meet the kernel coding standards, it doesn't have
> > > a lot of users, while SRP and NVMEoF are widely accepted. Do you think
> > > it would make sense for us to rework our patchset and try pushing it
> > > for staging tree first, so that we can proof IBNBD is well maintained,
> > > beneficial for the eco-system, find a proper location for it within
> > > block/rdma subsystems? This would make it easier for people to try it
> > > out and would also be a huge step for us in terms of maintenance
> > > effort.
> > > The names IBNBD and IBTRS are in fact misleading. IBTRS sits on top of
> > > RDMA and is not bound to IB (We will evaluate IBTRS with ROCE in the
> > > near future). Do you think it would make sense to rename the driver to
> > > RNBD/RTRS?
> >
> > It is better to avoid "staging" tree, because it will lack attention of
> > relevant people and your efforts will be lost once you will try to move
> > out of staging. We are all remembering Lustre and don't want to see it
> > again.
>
> That's up to the developers, that had nothing to do with the fact that
> the code was in the staging tree. If the Lustre developers had actually
> done the requested work, it would have moved out of the staging tree.
>
> So if these developers are willing to do the work to get something out
> of staging, and into the "real" part of the kernel, I will gladly take
> it.
Greg,
It is not matter of how much *real* work developers will do, but
it is a matter of guidance to do *right* thing, which is hard to achieve
if people mentioned in the beginning of this thread wouldn't look on
staging code.
>
> But I will note that it is almost always easier to just do the work
> ahead of time, and merge it in "correctly" than to go from staging into
> the real part of the kernel. But it's up to the developers what they
> want to do.
>
> thanks,
>
> greg k-h
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-07-09 13:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-06-20 15:03 [PATCH v4 00/25] InfiniBand Transport (IBTRS) and Network Block Device (IBNBD) Jack Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 01/25] sysfs: export sysfs_remove_file_self() Jack Wang
2019-09-23 17:21 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-25 9:30 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 02/25] ibtrs: public interface header to establish RDMA connections Jack Wang
2019-09-23 17:44 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-25 10:20 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-25 15:38 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 03/25] ibtrs: private headers with IBTRS protocol structs and helpers Jack Wang
2019-09-23 22:50 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-25 21:45 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-25 21:57 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 8:56 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 04/25] ibtrs: core: lib functions shared between client and server modules Jack Wang
2019-09-23 23:03 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 10:13 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 05/25] ibtrs: client: private header with client structs and functions Jack Wang
2019-09-23 23:05 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 10:18 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 06/25] ibtrs: client: main functionality Jack Wang
2019-09-23 21:51 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-25 17:36 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-25 18:55 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-25 20:50 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-25 21:08 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-25 21:16 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-25 22:53 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-25 23:21 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-26 9:16 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 07/25] ibtrs: client: statistics functions Jack Wang
2019-09-23 23:15 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 12:00 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 08/25] ibtrs: client: sysfs interface functions Jack Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 09/25] ibtrs: server: private header with server structs and functions Jack Wang
2019-09-23 23:21 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 12:04 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 10/25] ibtrs: server: main functionality Jack Wang
2019-09-23 23:49 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 15:03 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-27 15:11 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 15:19 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 11/25] ibtrs: server: statistics functions Jack Wang
2019-09-23 23:56 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-10-02 15:15 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-10-02 15:42 ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-10-02 15:45 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-10-02 16:00 ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 12/25] ibtrs: server: sysfs interface functions Jack Wang
2019-09-24 0:00 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-10-02 15:11 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 13/25] ibtrs: include client and server modules into kernel compilation Jack Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 14/25] ibtrs: a bit of documentation Jack Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 15/25] ibnbd: private headers with IBNBD protocol structs and helpers Jack Wang
2019-09-13 22:10 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-15 14:30 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-16 5:27 ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-09-16 13:45 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-17 15:41 ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-09-17 15:52 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-16 7:08 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-16 14:57 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-16 17:25 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-17 12:27 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-16 15:39 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-18 15:26 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-18 16:11 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 16/25] ibnbd: client: private header with client structs and functions Jack Wang
2019-09-13 22:25 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-17 16:36 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-25 23:43 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-26 10:00 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 17/25] ibnbd: client: main functionality Jack Wang
2019-09-13 23:46 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-16 14:17 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-16 16:46 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-17 11:39 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-18 7:14 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-18 15:47 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-20 8:29 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-25 22:26 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-26 9:55 ` Roman Penyaev
2019-09-26 15:01 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 8:52 ` Roman Penyaev
2019-09-27 9:32 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-27 12:18 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-27 16:37 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-27 16:50 ` Roman Penyaev
2019-09-27 17:16 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-17 13:09 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-17 16:46 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-18 12:02 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-18 16:05 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-14 0:00 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 18/25] ibnbd: client: sysfs interface functions Jack Wang
2019-09-18 16:28 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-19 15:55 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 19/25] ibnbd: server: private header with server structs and functions Jack Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 20/25] ibnbd: server: main functionality Jack Wang
2019-09-18 17:41 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-20 7:36 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-20 15:42 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-23 15:19 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 21/25] ibnbd: server: functionality for IO submission to file or block dev Jack Wang
2019-09-18 21:46 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-26 14:04 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-09-26 15:11 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-26 15:25 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-26 15:29 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-26 15:38 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-09-26 15:42 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 22/25] ibnbd: server: sysfs interface functions Jack Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 23/25] ibnbd: include client and server modules into kernel compilation Jack Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 24/25] ibnbd: a bit of documentation Jack Wang
2019-09-13 23:58 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-18 12:22 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-06-20 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 25/25] MAINTAINERS: Add maintainer for IBNBD/IBTRS modules Jack Wang
2019-07-09 15:10 ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-07-09 15:18 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-09 15:51 ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-09-13 23:56 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-09-19 10:30 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-09 9:55 ` [PATCH v4 00/25] InfiniBand Transport (IBTRS) and Network Block Device (IBNBD) Danil Kipnis
2019-07-09 11:00 ` Leon Romanovsky
2019-07-09 11:17 ` Greg KH
2019-07-09 11:57 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-09 13:32 ` Leon Romanovsky [this message]
2019-07-09 15:39 ` Bart Van Assche
2019-07-09 11:37 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-09 12:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-09 13:15 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-09 13:19 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-09 14:17 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-09 21:27 ` Sagi Grimberg
2019-07-19 13:12 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-07-10 14:55 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-07-09 12:04 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-09 19:45 ` Sagi Grimberg
2019-07-10 13:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-10 16:25 ` Sagi Grimberg
2019-07-10 17:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2019-07-10 19:11 ` Sagi Grimberg
2019-07-11 7:27 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-07-11 8:54 ` Danil Kipnis
2019-07-12 0:22 ` Sagi Grimberg
2019-07-12 7:57 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-12 19:40 ` Sagi Grimberg
2019-07-15 11:21 ` Jinpu Wang
2019-07-12 10:58 ` Danil Kipnis
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