From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED395C6FD1D for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2023 16:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S234758AbjDDQOk (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Apr 2023 12:14:40 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:50150 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231639AbjDDQOj (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Apr 2023 12:14:39 -0400 Received: from mail-io1-xd2d.google.com (mail-io1-xd2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EE0D3A92 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2023 09:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2d.google.com with SMTP id ca18e2360f4ac-7585535bd79so17276539f.0 for ; Tue, 04 Apr 2023 09:14:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel-dk.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; t=1680624877; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:references:cc:to :content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=syF/smnUwAV4ZKcd539TdCxhvG4UIaARCIo/FYWxUSE=; b=NezZ/cChFX7X9N5vXRkKRhEoKwRKlZNnlxdsD2sRu8AoohuiILG5LBrAEGvIPl9G6s qsZU2GdPHExGSKifbeAiQYjRsI+ST4NIb4FOf2hbvPhLeE7BeDmyJspzSfVvkmaOJe3Z 9PEmYVT9y1EliaMjx4A8aG5Z/W5Ca0Bv6AANKySUcTA6yO4H7X123UQXmFmcnufS/8r6 wPfvtb/yoesL3hxI8vKaNqvf/Zmm7AdnhY0OiIUlgigHF6tngdtCejXk6eMBFdk0MHnx v9WYlWhPX81bWD9V1UUFK3UaV805MrKoC1ntg6zaSHu0HiJTm+7ijzxHjiyJMWj/0pR7 QDbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1680624877; h=content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:from:references:cc:to :content-language:subject:user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=syF/smnUwAV4ZKcd539TdCxhvG4UIaARCIo/FYWxUSE=; b=BOcMjmjRJsCKd7uqMRdFFimCp9+bM83VLADhLzZSPg7DJENsXARe8sMCq2pNKDHHgI Vd/PgZ0cn1zEVGejq7MJb3zlj9m8QcyNRx/aOSeqbI0+1qd9evhH6K1qzPmQfQb7MiYH k826zEqDmO5yxlo43oYA1Yu9PG6OMBcT/SxhpIoltKN6jkhRRs+ew6AdbAHAia7g7tks YSL8KHnC4Bcr2y21O7XotqmigRyN3KSOAlv6WIvaIu7UPz/JXDVyg64PXkrOTCk6Kdag vifCKE9GJs9Gi1XUYjebt6JeAOUMeTBGHXqtASGmHLFTCxdbLy2/cPak/nfIlDYQJK5V V69w== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9fh9LthUiBRs+A4UOwuf8FpZCo8ZE5h15UkJzJ013kDYnsg3wjk YarwDVn9HJPMj1AJrDX47ePOzg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350aPT1Rhe5H3Gy/XEyPb8/cBI4XCRpQ+Hp40vZyjmt57SEEJjNt+Cq1ZO2GQ7u2tmwJZhhTK9g== X-Received: by 2002:a92:c214:0:b0:325:e065:8bf8 with SMTP id j20-20020a92c214000000b00325e0658bf8mr172572ilo.0.1680624877615; Tue, 04 Apr 2023 09:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.94] ([96.43.243.2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n21-20020a056638211500b0040617a81e1asm3363598jaj.59.2023.04.04.09.14.36 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 04 Apr 2023 09:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <86c63b44-7832-6a03-11d9-d389fdaf3c16@kernel.dk> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 10:14:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux aarch64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.9.0 Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] bio iter improvements Content-Language: en-US To: Kent Overstreet Cc: Christoph Hellwig , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, willy@infradead.org References: <20230327174402.1655365-1-kent.overstreet@linux.dev> <2bbdb38b-a3ac-5127-23c0-56badd113538@kernel.dk> From: Jens Axboe In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-block@vger.kernel.org On 4/4/23 10:06?AM, Kent Overstreet wrote: > On Tue, Apr 04, 2023 at 10:01:58AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote: >>>> Starting to get personal instead tends to not help to convince your >>>> reviewers that it's really useful in general. >>> >>> I know you and others like to talk a lot about what you want as >>> maintainers and reviewers - but I find that the people who are the >>> loudest and the most authoritarian in that respect tend not to be the >>> people who drive discussions forward in productive ways. >> >> One issue is certainly that nobody wants to engage with people that >> instantly try and make this personal, or just uncomfortable in general. > > Yeah, you like to respond to technical discussion with a *plonk*. > > *eyeroll* > > Christoph can handle himself, he doesn't need you defending him. I'm not defending Christoph, I'm trying to help YOU understand why your patchsets always turn sour. And I'm trying to get this toxicity off the list, because it's frankly not productive at all and it's hurting the developer environment for everybody else. If everybody else seems like an asshole, maybe it's actually you? A little introspection would be prudent. If you can't change your tone, please just go somewhere else. I'm not interested. -- Jens Axboe