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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: "Nabeel Meeramohideen Mohamed (nmeeramohide)"  <nmeeramohide@micron.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org" <linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	"Steve Moyer (smoyer)" <smoyer@micron.com>,
	"Greg Becker (gbecker)" <gbecker@micron.com>,
	"Pierre Labat (plabat)" <plabat@micron.com>,
	"John Groves (jgroves)" <jgroves@micron.com>
Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: [PATCH v2 00/22] add Object Storage Media Pool (mpool)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:48:24 -0700
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4gOGi392Q3knF=cAuvKONnmp2AoKX82VQEQJU0c7o7AKA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR08MB4208A22F5C94AB05439A2703B31C0@SN6PR08MB4208.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 10:11 AM Nabeel Meeramohideen Mohamed
(nmeeramohide) <nmeeramohide@micron.com> wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 3:36 PM, Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> >     What does Linux get from merging mpool?
> >
>
> What Linux gets from merging mpool is a generic object store target with some
> unique and beneficial features:

I'll try to make the point a different way. Mpool points out places
where the existing apis fail to scale. Rather than attempt to fix that
problem it proposes to replace the old apis. However, the old apis are
still there. So now upstream has 2 maintenance burdens when it could
have just had one. So when I ask "what does Linux get" it is in
reference to the fact that Linux gets a compounded maintenance problem
and whether the benefits of mpool outweigh that burden. Historically
Linux has been able to evolve to meet the scaling requirements of new
applications, so I am asking whether you have tried to solve the
application problem by evolving rather than replacing existing
infrastructure? The justification to replace rather than evolve is
high because that's how core Linux stays relevant.

  reply index

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-12 16:27 Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 01/22] mpool: add utility routines and ioctl definitions Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:45   ` Randy Dunlap
2020-10-12 16:48     ` Randy Dunlap
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 02/22] mpool: add in-memory struct definitions Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 03/22] mpool: add on-media " Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 04/22] mpool: add pool drive component which handles mpool IO using the block layer API Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 05/22] mpool: add space map component which manages free space on mpool devices Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 06/22] mpool: add on-media pack, unpack and upgrade routines Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 07/22] mpool: add superblock management routines Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 08/22] mpool: add pool metadata routines to manage object lifecycle and IO Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 09/22] mpool: add mblock lifecycle management and IO routines Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 10/22] mpool: add mlog IO utility routines Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 11/22] mpool: add mlog lifecycle management and IO routines Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 12/22] mpool: add metadata container or mlog-pair framework Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 13/22] mpool: add utility routines for mpool lifecycle management Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 14/22] mpool: add pool metadata routines to create persistent mpools Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 15/22] mpool: add mpool lifecycle management routines Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 16/22] mpool: add mpool control plane utility routines Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 17/22] mpool: add mpool lifecycle management ioctls Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 18/22] mpool: add object " Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 19/22] mpool: add support to mmap arbitrary collection of mblocks Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 20/22] mpool: add support to proactively evict cached mblock data from the page-cache Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 21/22] mpool: add documentation Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-12 16:53   ` Randy Dunlap
2020-10-12 16:27 ` [PATCH v2 22/22] mpool: add Kconfig and Makefile Nabeel M Mohamed
2020-10-15  8:02 ` [PATCH v2 00/22] add Object Storage Media Pool (mpool) Christoph Hellwig
2020-10-16 21:58   ` [EXT] " Nabeel Meeramohideen Mohamed (nmeeramohide)
2020-10-16 22:11     ` Dan Williams
2020-10-19 22:30       ` Nabeel Meeramohideen Mohamed (nmeeramohide)
2020-10-20 21:35         ` Dan Williams
2020-10-21 17:10           ` Nabeel Meeramohideen Mohamed (nmeeramohide)
2020-10-21 17:48             ` Dan Williams [this message]
2020-10-21 14:24       ` Mike Snitzer
2020-10-21 16:24         ` Dan Williams

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