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From: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
To: "lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org" 
	<lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-block@vger.kernel.org" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org" <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux NVMe Mailinglist <linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] block namespaces
Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 10:01:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a189ec50-4c11-9ee9-0b9e-b492507adc1e@suse.de> (raw)

Hi all,

I guess it's time to tick off yet another item on my long-term to-do list:

Block namespaces
----------------

Idea is similar to what network already does: allowing each user
namespace to have a different 'view' on the existing block devices.
EG if the admin creates a ramdisk in one namespace this device should
not be visible to other namespaces.
But for me the most important use-case would be qemu; currently the
devices need to be set up in the host, even though the host has no
business touching it as they really belong to the qemu instance. This is
causing quite some irritation eg when this device has LVM or MD metadata
and udev is trying to activate it on the host.

Overall plan is to restrict views of '/dev', '/sys/dev/block' and
'/sys/block' to only present the devices 'visible' for this namespace.
Initially the drivers would keep their global enumeration, but plan is
to make the drivers namespace-aware, too, such that each namespace could
have its own driver-specific device enumeration.

Goal of this topic is to get a consensus on whether block namespaces are
a feature which would find interest, and also to discuss some design
details here:
- Only in certain cases can a namespace be assigned (eg by calling
'modprobe', starting iscsiadm, or calling nvme-cli); how do we handle
devices for which no namespace can be identified?
- Shall we allow for different device enumeration per namespace?
- Into which level should we go with hiding sysfs structures?
  Is blanking out the higher-level interfaces in /dev and /sys/block
  enough?

Cheers,

Hannes
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             reply	other threads:[~2021-05-27  8:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-27  8:01 Hannes Reinecke [this message]
2021-06-09 18:36 ` [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] block namespaces James Bottomley
2021-06-10  5:49   ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-06-10 14:29     ` James Bottomley
2021-06-10 15:05       ` Hannes Reinecke

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