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From: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>
Cc: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@acm.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] blk-mq: implement queue quiesce via percpu_ref for BLK_MQ_F_BLOCKING
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 14:03:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d8b3c882-098c-eb7a-06b9-46d3f05f72fb@grimberg.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <05f75e89-b6f7-de49-eb9f-a08aa4e0ba4f@kernel.dk>


>>>>>>> I think it will be a significant improvement to have a single code path.
>>>>>>> The code will be more robust and we won't need to face issues that are
>>>>>>> specific for blocking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the cost is negligible, I think the upside is worth it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> rcu_read_lock and rcu_read_unlock has been proved as efficient enough,
>>>>>> and I don't think percpu_refcount is better than it, so I'd suggest to
>>>>>> not switch non-blocking into this way.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a matter of which is better, its a matter of making the code
>>>>> more robust because it has a single code-path. If moving to percpu_ref
>>>>> is negligible, I would suggest to move both, I don't want to have two
>>>>> completely different mechanism for blocking vs. non-blocking.
>>>>
>>>> FWIW, I proposed an hctx percpu_ref over a year ago (but for a
>>>> completely different reason), and it was measured as too costly.
>>>>
>>>>     https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/d4a4b6c0-3ea8-f748-85b0-6b39c5023a6f@kernel.dk/
>>>
>>> If this is the case, we shouldn't consider this as an alternative at all,
>>> and move forward with either the original proposal or what
>>> ming proposed to move a counter to the tagset.
>>
>> Well, the point I was trying to make is that we shouldn't bother making
>> blocking and non-blocking dispatchers use the same synchronization since
>> non-blocking has a very cheap solution that blocking can't use.
> 
> I fully agree with that point.

I also agree, just said we should use the same mechanisms, IFF its not
expensive. But I'm concerned that if we use completely different 
mechanisms we are likely to get wrong assumptions and break one at some
point.

Hence my suggestion to move back to srcu and place the rcu_head in the hctx.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-30 21:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-28 13:49 [RFC PATCH] blk-mq: implement queue quiesce via percpu_ref for BLK_MQ_F_BLOCKING Ming Lei
2020-07-29 10:28 ` Ming Lei
2020-07-29 15:42   ` Sagi Grimberg
2020-07-29 15:49     ` Ming Lei
2020-07-29 22:37       ` Sagi Grimberg
2020-07-30 14:53         ` Ming Lei
2020-07-30 16:10           ` Sagi Grimberg
2020-07-30 18:18             ` Keith Busch
2020-07-30 18:23               ` Sagi Grimberg
2020-07-30 19:27                 ` Keith Busch
2020-07-30 19:53                   ` Jens Axboe
2020-07-30 21:03                     ` Sagi Grimberg [this message]
2020-07-31  0:33                       ` Ming Lei
2020-07-31  0:24               ` Ming Lei
2020-07-31  0:28             ` Ming Lei
2020-07-29 11:20 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2020-07-29 16:12 ` Keith Busch
2020-07-29 22:16   ` Ming Lei
2020-07-29 22:42     ` Sagi Grimberg
2020-07-30 15:05       ` Ming Lei

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