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From: Luiz Augusto von Dentz <>
To: Alain Michaud <>
Cc: Marcel Holtmann <>,
	BlueZ <>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] Bluetooth: Fix assuming EIR flags can result in SSP authentication
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 09:53:45 -0700
Message-ID: <> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <>

Hi Alain,

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 6:18 AM Alain Michaud <> wrote:
> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 4:22 AM Marcel Holtmann <> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Alain,
> >
> > >>> Starting with the 2.1 specification, it is my interpretation that it
> > >>> is not valid to support EIR but not SSP.  I understand that SSP may be
> > >>> disabled from BlueZ's point of view, but this doesn't seem to be a
> > >>> legitimate/qualifiable configuration.  Should we instead fail the
> > >>> legacy pairing if EIR was received as an invalid condition?
> > >>
> > >> I know that using EIR requires to also use SSP. However this is just a precaution in case the other device is an attacked and tries to trick us.
> > >>
> > >> You might get an inquiry result and not extended inquiry result, but you are still talking to a SSP device. This has to do with the fact that the reception of EIR is not guaranteed. In case of radio interference you might miss one and only get an ordinary inquiry result.
> > >>
> > >> If we indeed received an EIR and then get legacy pairing request, we could try to reject the pairing. However keep in mind that our inquiry cache is time limited and we through outdated information away. This might cause some race condition. So I rather read the remote host features to ensure we know the actual host features of the remote device.
> > >
> > > You are correct, the EIR response is not a guaranteed thing.  For this
> > > reason, the host should try to resolve the name of the device before
> > > initiating bonding where a Remote Host Supported Feature Notification
> > > Event is generated to signal the remote side's support of SSP.  As you
> > > allude to, a remote spoofing a legitimate SSP device may always just
> > > jam and downgrade to not SSP, but if you have any signals that SSP is
> > > supported by the device, it may be a good defensive posture.
> >
> > trying to resolve the name before connected is a waste of time. Resolving the name after connecting will not give you that event. You should just read the remote features.
> I have a vague memory that there was an interoperability issue around
> this that required the initiator to know ahead of time if SSP was
> supported by the remote host before connecting which was the reason
> why this was added in the first place.  However, I agree that this can
> also be read after you are connected rather than just waiting for a
> RNR page to complete just to page again.  The point here however is
> about the signals that SSP should be supported and the conditions
> where we let legacy pairing go through.  My assertion is that EIR
> implies SSP, so legacy pairing shouldn't be allowed in that case.
> It's not a definitive security measure, but IMO, every signals that we
> can get will help close a door to downgrade attacks.

Legacy pairing is still indicated with MGMT_DEV_FOUND_LEGACY_PAIRING
so for what is worth this didn't change any logic regarding how legacy
pairing is detected, in fact hci_conn_ssp_enabled is used to determine
if encryption is required or not for low security it was never used to
detect if the paring method used was really SSP or legacy.

> >
> > > Receiving an EIR response or a Remote Host Supported Feature Event
> > > with the SSP bit set is a good indication that the device supports SSP
> > > and you should expect SSP to take place.  Again, it is not a valid
> > > configuration to have EIR enabled but not SSP per my interpretation of
> > > the 2.1 specification.
> >
> > If you have an idea on how to tighten this and fail, please send a patch. It is just that our inquiry cache was never designed for that. It was just to speed up the connection process.
> Ack.  This definitely looks like an opportunity.  We can add it to the backlog.

If you guys agree I can prepare a patch requiring SSP to be used, but
first we will need to agree on what action we would take under such
situation, shall we disconnect if we figure out the SSP bit is
disabled? Btw, if the remote device has dropped SSP for some reason (I
suppose the spec allows doing it) and we have a EIR on the cache
(which we keep for 30 seconds) that doesn't necessarily mean the
device is broken since the use of EIR may have been dropped in the

> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Marcel
> >

Luiz Augusto von Dentz

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Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-19 20:25 [PATCH 1/4] Bluetooth: Disconnect if E0 is used for Level 4 Luiz Augusto von Dentz
2020-05-19 20:25 ` [PATCH 2/4] Bluetooth: Fix assuming EIR flags can result in SSP authentication Luiz Augusto von Dentz
2020-05-20 14:34   ` Marcel Holtmann
2020-05-26 13:53     ` Alain Michaud
2020-05-26 14:17       ` Marcel Holtmann
2020-05-26 14:30         ` Alain Michaud
2020-05-28  8:22           ` Marcel Holtmann
2020-05-28 13:17             ` Alain Michaud
2020-05-28 16:53               ` Luiz Augusto von Dentz [this message]
2020-05-28 17:16                 ` Alain Michaud
2020-06-03 18:02                   ` Marcel Holtmann
2020-05-19 20:25 ` [PATCH 3/4] Bluetooth: Fix bogus check for re-auth no supported with non-ssp Luiz Augusto von Dentz
2020-05-20 14:25   ` Marcel Holtmann
2020-05-20 16:12     ` Luiz Augusto von Dentz
2020-05-19 20:25 ` [PATCH 4/4] Bluetooth: Consolidate encryption handling in hci_encrypt_cfm Luiz Augusto von Dentz
2020-05-20 14:31   ` Marcel Holtmann
2020-05-20 14:23 ` [PATCH 1/4] Bluetooth: Disconnect if E0 is used for Level 4 Marcel Holtmann
2020-05-20 16:00   ` Luiz Augusto von Dentz

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