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From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>
To: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] 3- and 4- copy RAID1
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:39:48 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <pan$47c54$5df59e3d$ab971dce$aa203b1@cox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: pan$98af2$39851f53$ef9fd141$bfd51f5b@cox.net

Duncan posted on Wed, 18 Jul 2018 07:20:09 +0000 as excerpted:

>> As implemented in BTRFS, raid1 doesn't have striping.
> 
> The argument is that because there's only two copies, on multi-device
> btrfs raid1 with 4+ devices of equal size so chunk allocations tend to
> alternate device pairs, it's effectively striped at the macro level,
> with the 1 GiB device-level chunks effectively being huge individual
> device strips of 1 GiB.
> 
> At 1 GiB strip size it doesn't have the typical performance advantage of
> striping, but conceptually, it's equivalent to raid10 with huge 1 GiB
> strips/chunks.

I forgot this bit...

Similarly, multi-device single is regarded by some to be conceptually 
equivalent to raid0 with really huge GiB strips/chunks.

(As you may note, "the argument is" and "regarded by some" are distancing 
phrases.  I've seen the argument made on-list, but while I understand the 
argument and agree with it to some extent, I'm still a bit uncomfortable 
with it and don't normally make it myself, this thread being a noted 
exception tho originally I simply repeated what someone else already said 
in-thread, because I too agree it's stretching things a bit.  But it does 
appear to be a useful conceptual equivalency for some, and I do see the 
similarity.

Perhaps it's a case of coder's view (no code doing it that way, it's just 
a coincidental oddity conditional on equal sizes), vs. sysadmin's view 
(code or not, accidental or not, it's a reasonably accurate high-level 
description of how it ends up working most of the time with equivalent 
sized devices).)

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman


  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-18  9:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-13 18:46 [PATCH 0/4] 3- and 4- copy RAID1 David Sterba
2018-07-13 18:46 ` [PATCH] btrfs-progs: add support for raid1c3 and raid1c4 David Sterba
2018-07-13 18:46 ` [PATCH 1/4] btrfs: refactor block group replication factor calculation to a helper David Sterba
2018-07-13 18:46 ` [PATCH 2/4] btrfs: add support for 3-copy replication (raid1c3) David Sterba
2018-07-13 21:02   ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2018-07-17 16:00     ` David Sterba
2018-07-13 18:46 ` [PATCH 3/4] btrfs: add support for 4-copy replication (raid1c4) David Sterba
2018-07-13 18:46 ` [PATCH 4/4] btrfs: add incompatibility bit for extended raid features David Sterba
2018-07-15 14:37 ` [PATCH 0/4] 3- and 4- copy RAID1 waxhead
2018-07-16 18:29   ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2018-07-16 18:49     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-07-17 21:12     ` Duncan
2018-07-18  5:59       ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2018-07-18  7:20         ` Duncan
2018-07-18  8:39           ` Duncan [this message]
2018-07-18 12:45             ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-07-18 12:50             ` Hugo Mills
2018-07-19 21:22               ` waxhead
2018-07-18 12:50           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-07-18 19:42           ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2018-07-19 11:43             ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-07-19 17:29               ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2018-07-19 19:10                 ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-07-20 17:13                   ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2018-07-20 18:33                     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-07-20  5:17             ` Andrei Borzenkov
2018-07-20 17:16               ` Goffredo Baroncelli
2018-07-20 18:38                 ` Andrei Borzenkov
2018-07-20 18:41                   ` Hugo Mills
2018-07-20 18:46                     ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-07-16 21:51   ` waxhead
2018-07-15 14:46 ` Hugo Mills
2018-07-19  7:27 ` Qu Wenruo
2018-07-19 11:47   ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2018-07-20 16:42     ` David Sterba
2018-07-20 16:35   ` David Sterba

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