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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	ceph-devel@vger.kernel.org, Chao Yu <yuchao0@huawei.com>,
	Damien Le Moal <damien.lemoal@wdc.com>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Johannes Thumshirn <jth@kernel.org>,
	linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	Steve French <sfrench@samba.org>, Ted Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/11] mm: Protect operations adding pages to page cache with invalidate_lock
Date: Mon, 17 May 2021 13:21:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210517112115.GC31755@quack2.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210514161730.GL9675@magnolia>

On Fri 14-05-21 09:17:30, Darrick J. Wong wrote:
> On Fri, May 14, 2021 at 09:19:45AM +1000, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > We've been down this path before more than a decade ago when the
> > powers that be decreed that inode locking order is to be "by
> > structure address" rather than inode number, because "inode number
> > is not unique across multiple superblocks".
> > 
> > I'm not sure that there is anywhere that locks multiple inodes
> > across different superblocks, but here we are again....
> 
> Hm.  Are there situations where one would want to lock multiple
> /mappings/ across different superblocks?  The remapping code doesn't
> allow cross-super operations, so ... pipes and splice, maybe?  I don't
> remember that code well enough to say for sure.

Splice and friends work one file at a time. I.e., first they fill a pipe
from the file with ->read_iter, then they flush the pipe to the target file
with ->write_iter. So file locking doesn't get coupled there.

> I've been operating under the assumption that as long as one takes all
> the same class of lock at the same time (e.g. all the IOLOCKs, then all
> the MMAPLOCKs, then all the ILOCKs, like reflink does) that the
> incongruency in locking order rules within a class shouldn't be a
> problem.

That's my understanding as well.

> > > It might simply be time to convert all
> > > three XFS inode locks to use the same ordering rules.
> > 
> > Careful, there lie dragons along that path because of things like
> > how the inode cluster buffer operations work - they all assume
> > ascending inode number traversal within and across inode cluster
> > buffers and hence we do have locking order constraints based on
> > inode number...
> 
> Fair enough, I'll leave the ILOCK alone. :)

OK, so should I change the order for invalidate_lock or shall we just leave
that alone as it is not a practical problem AFAICT.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-17 11:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-12 13:46 [PATCH 0/11 v5] fs: Hole punch vs page cache filling races Jan Kara
2021-05-12 13:46 ` [PATCH 01/11] mm: Fix comments mentioning i_mutex Jan Kara
2021-05-12 13:46 ` [PATCH 02/11] documentation: Sync file_operations members with reality Jan Kara
2021-05-12 13:46 ` [PATCH 03/11] mm: Protect operations adding pages to page cache with invalidate_lock Jan Kara
2021-05-12 14:20   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-05-13 17:49     ` Jan Kara
2021-05-12 14:40   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-05-13 19:01     ` Jan Kara
2021-05-13 19:38       ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-05-14 11:07         ` Jan Kara
2021-05-12 15:23   ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-05-13 17:44     ` Jan Kara
2021-05-13 18:52       ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-05-13 23:19         ` Dave Chinner
2021-05-14 16:17           ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-05-17 11:21             ` Jan Kara [this message]
2021-05-18 22:36             ` Dave Chinner
2021-05-19 10:57               ` Jan Kara
2021-05-12 13:46 ` [PATCH 04/11] ext4: Convert to use mapping->invalidate_lock Jan Kara
2021-05-12 13:46 ` [PATCH 05/11] ext2: Convert to using invalidate_lock Jan Kara
2021-05-12 13:46 ` [PATCH 06/11] xfs: Convert to use invalidate_lock Jan Kara
2021-05-12 13:46 ` [PATCH 07/11] zonefs: Convert to using invalidate_lock Jan Kara
2021-05-13  0:34   ` Damien Le Moal
2021-05-12 13:46 ` [PATCH 08/11] f2fs: " Jan Kara
2021-05-12 13:46 ` [PATCH 09/11] fuse: " Jan Kara
2021-05-12 13:46 ` [PATCH 10/11] ceph: Fix race between hole punch and page fault Jan Kara
2021-05-12 15:19   ` Jeff Layton
2021-05-12 13:46 ` [PATCH 11/11] cifs: " Jan Kara

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