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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
To: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
Cc: Steve French <smfrench@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] vfs: prevent copy_file_range to copy across devices
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 17:50:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <216103D5-0575-4BFC-9802-2C21A1B12DF9@dilger.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxii=7KUKv1w32VbjkwS+Z1a0ge0gezNzpn_BiY6MFWkpA@mail.gmail.com>

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On Feb 17, 2021, at 1:08 AM, Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You are missing my point.
> Never mind which server. The server does not *need* to rely on
> vfs_copy_file_range() to copy files from XFS to ext4.
> The server is very capable of implementing the fallback generic copy
> in case source/target fs do not support native {copy,remap}_file_range().
> 
> w.r.t semantics of copy_file_range() syscall vs. the fallback to userespace
> 'cp' tool (check source file size before copy or not), please note that the
> semantics of CIFS_IOC_COPYCHUNK_FILE are that of the former:
> 
>        rc = cifs_file_copychunk_range(xid, src_file.file, 0, dst_file, 0,
>                                        src_inode->i_size, 0);
> 
> It will copy zero bytes if advertised source file size if zero.
> 
> NFS server side copy semantics are currently de-facto the same
> because both the client and the server will have to pass through this
> line in vfs_copy_file_range():
> 
>        if (len == 0)
>                return 0;
> 
> IMO, and this opinion was voiced by several other filesystem developers,
> the shortend copy semantics are the correct semantics for copy_file_range()
> syscall as well as for vfs_copy_file_range() for internal kernel users.
> 
> I guess what this means is that if the 'cp' tool ever tries an opportunistic
> copy_file_range() syscall (e.g. --cfr=auto), it may result in zero size copy.

Having a syscall that does the "wrong thing" when called on two files
doesn't make sense.  Expecting userspace to check whether source/target
files supports CFR is also not practical.  This is trivial for the
kernel to determine and return -EOPNOTSUPP to the caller if the source
file (procfs/sysfs/etc) does not work with CFR properly.

Applications must already handle -EOPNOTSUPP with a fallback, but
expecting all applications that may call copy_file_range() to be
properly coded to handle corner cases is just asking for trouble.
That is doubly true given that an existing widely-used tool like
cp and mv are using this syscall if it is available in the kernel.

Cheers, Andreas






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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-02-18  0:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CAOQ4uxiFGjdvX2-zh5o46pn7RZhvbGHH0wpzLPuPOom91FwWeQ@mail.gmail.com>
2021-02-15 15:43 ` [PATCH v2] vfs: prevent copy_file_range to copy across devices Luis Henriques
2021-02-15 16:02   ` Trond Myklebust
2021-02-16  0:25     ` Steve French
2021-02-15 16:34   ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-15 16:53     ` Trond Myklebust
2021-02-15 17:24       ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-15 18:57         ` Trond Myklebust
2021-02-15 19:43           ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-16 11:17             ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-16 11:28               ` gregkh
2021-02-16 12:01                 ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-16 12:08                   ` Greg KH
2021-02-16 13:51               ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-16 16:42                 ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-16 17:44                   ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-16 18:55                     ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-16 19:20                       ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-16 19:27                         ` Anna Schumaker
2021-02-16 19:31                           ` Steve French
2021-02-16 19:40                             ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-16 21:15                               ` Steve French
2021-02-17  8:08                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-17 17:26                                   ` [PATCH v3] vfs: fix copy_file_range regression in cross-fs copies Luis Henriques
2021-02-17 20:47                                     ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-18  0:56                                     ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-18  5:32                                     ` Olga Kornievskaia
2021-02-18  6:47                                       ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-18 16:28                                         ` Olga Kornievskaia
2021-02-18  7:43                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-02-18  0:50                                   ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2021-02-18  7:34                                     ` [PATCH v2] vfs: prevent copy_file_range to copy across devices gregkh
2021-02-16 18:54                 ` Andreas Dilger
2021-02-17  4:45   ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-18  7:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-02-18  9:10     ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-18 10:29       ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-18 12:15         ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-18 12:49           ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-18 14:36             ` [PATCH v4] vfs: fix copy_file_range regression in cross-fs copies Luis Henriques
2021-02-18 14:58               ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-18 15:17                 ` [PATCH v5] " Luis Henriques
2021-02-18 15:53                   ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-18 16:35                     ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-18 17:18                       ` [PATCH v6] " Luis Henriques
2021-02-19 21:18                         ` Olga Kornievskaia
2021-02-19 21:52                           ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-21 19:58                           ` [PATCH v7] " Luis Henriques
2021-02-22  3:00                             ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-02-22 10:24                             ` [PATCH v8] " Luis Henriques
2021-02-22 10:46                               ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-22 16:25                               ` dai.ngo
2021-02-23 10:32                                 ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-23 15:28                                   ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-23 15:29                                   ` dai.ngo
2021-02-23 16:02                                     ` dai.ngo
2021-02-23 16:47                                       ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-23 16:57                                         ` dai.ngo
     [not found]                                           ` <e3eed18b-fc7e-e687-608b-7f662017329c@oracle.com>
2021-02-23 17:33                                             ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-24  0:13                                               ` dai.ngo
2021-02-23 17:56                                           ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-23 17:13                                       ` Olga Kornievskaia
2021-02-24  1:00                               ` Olga Kornievskaia
2021-02-24 10:23                                 ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-24 10:44                                   ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-04-09  5:23                                     ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-04-09 13:39                                       ` Luis Henriques
2021-04-09 13:50                                         ` Amir Goldstein
2021-04-23  4:40                                           ` Nicolas Boichat
2021-05-03  8:54                                             ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-24 14:23                               ` [PATCH] copy_file_range.2: Kernel v5.12 updates Luis Henriques
2021-02-24 16:10                                 ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-25 10:21                                   ` Luis Henriques
2021-02-26 10:13                                     ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-02-26 10:34                                       ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-26 11:15                                         ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-02-26 13:59                                           ` Jeff Layton
2021-02-26 21:26                                             ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-02-26 22:18                                   ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-02-27  5:41                                     ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-27 12:20                                       ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-02-27 13:49                                         ` [RFC v2] copy_file_range.2: Update cross-filesystem support for 5.12 Alejandro Colomar
2021-02-27 16:00                                           ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-27 23:08                                       ` [PATCH] copy_file_range.2: Kernel v5.12 updates Steve French
2021-02-28  7:35                                         ` Amir Goldstein
2021-02-28 22:25                                           ` Steve French
2021-03-01  6:18                                             ` Amir Goldstein
2021-03-01 14:41                                 ` [RFC v3] copy_file_range.2: Update cross-filesystem support for 5.12 Alejandro Colomar
2021-03-01 14:58                                   ` Amir Goldstein
2021-03-04  9:38                                 ` [RFC v4] " Alejandro Colomar
2021-03-04 17:13                                   ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-03-04 18:24                                     ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2021-03-04 23:50                                       ` Darrick J. Wong
2021-02-18 20:41       ` [PATCH v2] vfs: prevent copy_file_range to copy across devices Steve French

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