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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Pascal Van Leeuwen <pvanleeuwen@verimatrix.com>
Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Jason A . Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Samuel Neves <sneves@dei.uc.pt>,
	Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Eric Biggers <ebiggers@google.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 18/18] net: wireguard - switch to crypto API for packet encryption
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:06:08 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wgu5-Wj=UY+iU+x=RcKN_ceUsKdfhsv2-E5TNocELU8Ag@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR20MB297317D9870A3B93B5E506C9CA810@MN2PR20MB2973.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 5:15 PM Pascal Van Leeuwen
<pvanleeuwen@verimatrix.com> wrote:
>
> But even the CPU only thing may have several implementations, of which
> you want to select the fastest one supported by the _detected_ CPU
> features (i.e. SSE, AES-NI, AVX, AVX512, NEON, etc. etc.)
> Do you think this would still be efficient if that would be some
> large if-else tree? Also, such a fixed implementation wouldn't scale.

Just a note on this part.

Yes, with retpoline a large if-else tree is actually *way* better for
performance these days than even just one single indirect call. I
think the cross-over point is somewhere around 20 if-statements.

But those kinds of things also are things that we already handle well
with instruction rewriting, so they can actually have even less of an
overhead than a conditional branch. Using code like

  if (static_cpu_has(X86_FEATURE_AVX2))

actually ends up patching the code at run-time, so you end up having
just an unconditional branch. Exactly because CPU feature choices
often end up being in critical code-paths where you have
one-or-the-other kind of setup.

And yes, one of the big users of this is very much the crypto library code.

The code to do the above is disgusting, and when you look at the
generated code you see odd unreachable jumps and what looks like a
slow "bts" instruction that does the testing dynamically.

And then the kernel instruction stream gets rewritten fairly early
during the boot depending on the actual CPU capabilities, and the
dynamic tests get overwritten by a direct jump.

Admittedly I don't think the arm64 people go to quite those lengths,
but it certainly wouldn't be impossible there either.  It just takes a
bit of architecture knowledge and a strong stomach ;)

                 Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-09-27  2:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-25 16:12 [RFC PATCH 00/18] crypto: wireguard using the existing crypto API Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 01/18] crypto: shash - add plumbing for operating on scatterlists Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 02/18] crypto: x86/poly1305 - implement .update_from_sg method Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 03/18] crypto: arm/poly1305 - incorporate OpenSSL/CRYPTOGAMS NEON implementation Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 04/18] crypto: arm64/poly1305 " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 05/18] crypto: chacha - move existing library code into lib/crypto Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 06/18] crypto: rfc7539 - switch to shash for Poly1305 Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 07/18] crypto: rfc7539 - use zero reqsize for sync instantiations without alignmask Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 08/18] crypto: testmgr - add a chacha20poly1305 test case Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 09/18] crypto: poly1305 - move core algorithm into lib/crypto Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 10/18] crypto: poly1305 - add init/update/final library routines Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 11/18] int128: move __uint128_t compiler test to Kconfig Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 21:01   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-25 21:19     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 12/18] crypto: BLAKE2s - generic C library implementation and selftest Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 13/18] crypto: Curve25519 - generic C library implementations " Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 14/18] crypto: chacha20poly1305 - import construction and selftest from Zinc Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 15/18] net: WireGuard secure network tunnel Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 16/18] netlink: use new strict length types in policy for 5.2 Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 17/18] wg switch to lib/crypto algos Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 16:12 ` [RFC PATCH 18/18] net: wireguard - switch to crypto API for packet encryption Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-25 22:15   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-25 22:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-26  9:40     ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-09-26 16:35       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-27  0:15         ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-09-27  1:30           ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-27  2:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-27  3:53               ` Herbert Xu
2019-09-27  4:37                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-09-27  4:59                   ` Herbert Xu
2019-09-27  4:01               ` Herbert Xu
2019-09-27  4:13                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-27 10:44               ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-09-27 11:08                 ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-09-27  4:36             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-09-27  9:58             ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-09-27 10:11               ` Herbert Xu
2019-09-27 16:23               ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-30 11:14                 ` France didn't want GSM encryption Marc Gonzalez
2019-09-30 21:37                   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-30 20:44                 ` [RFC PATCH 18/18] net: wireguard - switch to crypto API for packet encryption Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-09-27  2:06           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2019-09-27 10:11             ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-09-26 11:06     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-26 12:34       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-26  8:59 ` [RFC PATCH 00/18] crypto: wireguard using the existing crypto API Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-09-26 10:19   ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-09-26 10:59     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-09-26 11:06     ` chapoly acceleration hardware [Was: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/18] crypto: wireguard using the existing crypto API] Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-09-26 11:38       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2019-09-26 13:52       ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-09-26 23:13         ` Dave Taht
2019-09-27 12:18           ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-09-26 22:47       ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-09-26 12:07   ` [RFC PATCH 00/18] crypto: wireguard using the existing crypto API Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-26 13:06     ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-09-26 13:15       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-26 14:03         ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-09-26 14:52           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2019-09-26 15:04             ` Pascal Van Leeuwen
2019-09-26 20:47     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-09-26 21:22       ` Andrew Lunn
2019-09-26 21:36       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-09-27  7:20         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2019-10-01  8:56           ` Ard Biesheuvel

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