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From: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
To: Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-csky@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Anup Patel <anup@brainfault.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/4] locking/qspinlock: Add ARCH_USE_QUEUED_SPINLOCKS_XCHG32
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 10:09:27 -0400
Message-ID: <4d0dbaa0-1f96-470c-0ed0-04f6827ea384@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJF2gTRncV1+GT7nBpYkvfpyaG57o9ecaHBjoR6gEQAkG2ELrg@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/29/21 11:13 PM, Guo Ren wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 8:50 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 08:01:41PM +0800, Guo Ren wrote:
>>> u32 a = 0x55aa66bb;
>>> u16 *ptr = &a;
>>>
>>> CPU0                       CPU1
>>> =========             =========
>>> xchg16(ptr, new)     while(1)
>>>                                      WRITE_ONCE(*(ptr + 1), x);
>>>
>>> When we use lr.w/sc.w implement xchg16, it'll cause CPU0 deadlock.
>> Then I think your LL/SC is broken.
>>
>> That also means you really don't want to build super complex locking
>> primitives on top, because that live-lock will percolate through.
> Do you mean the below implementation has live-lock risk?
> +static __always_inline u32 xchg_tail(struct qspinlock *lock, u32 tail)
> +{
> +       u32 old, new, val = atomic_read(&lock->val);
> +
> +       for (;;) {
> +               new = (val & _Q_LOCKED_PENDING_MASK) | tail;
> +               old = atomic_cmpxchg(&lock->val, val, new);
> +               if (old == val)
> +                       break;
> +
> +               val = old;
> +       }
> +       return old;
> +}
If there is a continuous stream of incoming spinlock takers, it is 
possible that some cpus may have to wait a long time to set the tail 
right. However, this should only happen on artificial workload. I doubt 
it will happen with real workload or with limit number of cpus.
>
>> Step 1 would be to get your architecute fixed such that it can provide
>> fwd progress guarantees for LL/SC. Otherwise there's absolutely no point
>> in building complex systems with it.
> Quote Waiman's comment [1] on xchg16 optimization:
>
> "This optimization is needed to make the qspinlock achieve performance
> parity with ticket spinlock at light load."
>
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/1429901803-29771-6-git-send-email-Waiman.Long@hp.com/
>
> So for a non-xhg16 machine:
>   - ticket-lock for small numbers of CPUs
>   - qspinlock for large numbers of CPUs
>
> Okay, I'll put all of them into the next patch :P
>
It is true that qspinlock may not offer much advantage when the number 
of cpus is small. It shines for systems with many cpus. You may use 
NR_CPUS to determine if the default should be ticket or qspinlock with 
user override. To determine the right NR_CPUS threshold, you may need to 
run on real SMP RISCV systems to find out.

Cheers,
Longman


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Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-27 18:06 [PATCH v4 0/4] riscv: Add qspinlock/qrwlock guoren
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] riscv: cmpxchg.h: Cleanup unused code guoren
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] riscv: cmpxchg.h: Merge macros guoren
2021-03-27 21:25   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-28  1:50     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] locking/qspinlock: Add ARCH_USE_QUEUED_SPINLOCKS_XCHG32 guoren
2021-03-27 18:43   ` Waiman Long
2021-03-28  1:48     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29  7:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29  9:41     ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-29 11:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 11:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 12:52           ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29 13:56             ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-30  2:26               ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  5:51                 ` Anup Patel
2021-03-30  6:26                   ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  7:11                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-31  4:18                   ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31  5:33                     ` Paul Campbell
2021-04-05 16:12                       ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31  6:44                     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31  7:12                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-29 11:19     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29 11:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 12:01         ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29 12:49           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-30  3:13             ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  4:54               ` Anup Patel
2021-03-30  6:27                 ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  8:31               ` David Laight
2021-03-30 14:09               ` Waiman Long [this message]
2021-03-31 14:47                 ` Guo Ren
2021-04-05 16:45                 ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30 16:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-30 22:35                 ` Stafford Horne
2021-03-31  7:23                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-31 12:31                     ` Stafford Horne
2021-03-31 15:10                       ` Guo Ren
2021-04-06  8:51                         ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-06  3:50                     ` Guo Ren
2021-04-06  8:56                       ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-07  8:42                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-04-07 11:36                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 11:57                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-04-07 12:02                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-05 16:40                 ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31 15:22             ` Guo Ren
2021-04-06  7:15               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07  9:42                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-07 14:29                   ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-07 14:34                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-07 15:51                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 16:44                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 15:52                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 16:54                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 16:00                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 19:50                       ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-06 17:24               ` Boqun Feng
2021-04-07  9:26                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 12:13         ` Anup Patel
2021-03-29 12:54           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] riscv: Convert custom spinlock/rwlock to generic qspinlock/qrwlock guoren

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