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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Stafford Horne <shorne@gmail.com>, Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>,
	linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-csky@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Anup Patel <anup@brainfault.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/4] locking/qspinlock: Add ARCH_USE_QUEUED_SPINLOCKS_XCHG32
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:57:53 +0200
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a2E6JYwT7a1HUt=65v2cCJTTZm9mrW4Rxq=sXN4h9ObKg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YG2ZTSFMGrikYWuL@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 1:36 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 07, 2021 at 10:42:50AM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > Since there are really only a handful of instances in the kernel
> > that use the cmpxchg() or xchg() on u8/u16 variables, it would seem
> > best to just disallow those completely
>
> Not going to happen. xchg16 is optimal for qspinlock and if we replace
> that with a cmpxchg loop on x86 we're regressing.

I did not mean to remove the possibility of doing a 16-bit compare-exchange
operation altogether, just removing it from the regular macros.

We already do this for the 64-bit xchg64()/cmpxchg64(), which only some
of the 32-bit architectures provide, so I think having an explicit
xchg8()/xchg16()/cmpxchg8()/cmpxchg16() interface while tightening the
type checking would be more consistent here.

On any 32-bit architecture, cmpxchg()/xchg() macros then only have
to deal with word-sized operations.

> > Interestingly, the s390 version using __sync_val_compare_and_swap()
> > seems to produce nice output on all architectures that have atomic
> > instructions, with any supported compiler, to the point where I think
> > we could just use that to replace most of the inline-asm versions except
> > for arm64:
> >
> > #define cmpxchg(ptr, o, n)                                              \
> > ({                                                                      \
> >         __typeof__(*(ptr)) __o = (o);                                   \
> >         __typeof__(*(ptr)) __n = (n);                                   \
> >         (__typeof__(*(ptr))) __sync_val_compare_and_swap((ptr),__o,__n);\
> > })
>
> It generates the LL/SC loop, but doesn't do sensible optimizations when
> it's again used in a loop itself. That is, it generates a loop of a
> loop, just like what you'd expect, which is sub-optimal for LL/SC.

One thing that it does though is to generate an ll/sc loop for xchg16(),
while mips, openrisc, xtensa and sparc64 currently open-code the
nested loop in their respective xchg16() wrappers. I have not seen
any case in which it produces object code that is worse than the
architecture specific code does today, except for those that rely on
runtime patching (i486+smp, arm64+lse).

> > Not how gcc's acquire/release behavior of __sync_val_compare_and_swap()
> > relates to what the kernel wants here.
> >
> > The gcc documentation also recommends using the standard
> > __atomic_compare_exchange_n() builtin instead, which would allow
> > constructing release/acquire/relaxed versions as well, but I could not
> > get it to produce equally good output. (possibly I was using it wrong)
>
> I'm scared to death of the C11 crap, the compiler will 'optimize' them
> when it feels like it and use the C11 memory model rules for it, which
> are not compatible with the kernel rules.
>
> But the same thing applies, it won't do the right thing for composites.

Makes sense. As I said, I could not even get it to produce optimal code
for the simple case.

         Arnd

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Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-27 18:06 [PATCH v4 0/4] riscv: Add qspinlock/qrwlock guoren
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] riscv: cmpxchg.h: Cleanup unused code guoren
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] riscv: cmpxchg.h: Merge macros guoren
2021-03-27 21:25   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-28  1:50     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] locking/qspinlock: Add ARCH_USE_QUEUED_SPINLOCKS_XCHG32 guoren
2021-03-27 18:43   ` Waiman Long
2021-03-28  1:48     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29  7:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29  9:41     ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-29 11:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 11:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 12:52           ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29 13:56             ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-30  2:26               ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  5:51                 ` Anup Patel
2021-03-30  6:26                   ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  7:11                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-31  4:18                   ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31  5:33                     ` Paul Campbell
2021-04-05 16:12                       ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31  6:44                     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31  7:12                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-29 11:19     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29 11:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 12:01         ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29 12:49           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-30  3:13             ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  4:54               ` Anup Patel
2021-03-30  6:27                 ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  8:31               ` David Laight
2021-03-30 14:09               ` Waiman Long
2021-03-31 14:47                 ` Guo Ren
2021-04-05 16:45                 ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30 16:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-30 22:35                 ` Stafford Horne
2021-03-31  7:23                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-31 12:31                     ` Stafford Horne
2021-03-31 15:10                       ` Guo Ren
2021-04-06  8:51                         ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-06  3:50                     ` Guo Ren
2021-04-06  8:56                       ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-07  8:42                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-04-07 11:36                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 11:57                             ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2021-04-07 12:02                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-05 16:40                 ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31 15:22             ` Guo Ren
2021-04-06  7:15               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07  9:42                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-07 14:29                   ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-07 14:34                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-07 15:51                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 16:44                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 15:52                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 16:54                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 16:00                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 19:50                       ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-06 17:24               ` Boqun Feng
2021-04-07  9:26                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 12:13         ` Anup Patel
2021-03-29 12:54           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] riscv: Convert custom spinlock/rwlock to generic qspinlock/qrwlock guoren

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