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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-riscv <linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@linux.alibaba.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Anup Patel <anup@brainfault.org>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <sebastian@breakpoint.cc>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/4] locking/qspinlock: Add ARCH_USE_QUEUED_SPINLOCKS_XCHG32
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2021 15:56:13 +0200
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a3jpQ7dDiVG0s_DQiL6n_MdnhYHMjqFfJ92JJBJFPQZPQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJF2gTRwd0QpUZumDFUN1J=effv67ucUdsQ96PJwjBhPgJ1npw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 2:52 PM Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 7:31 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 01:16:53PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > Anyway, an additional 'funny' is that I suspect you cannot prove fwd
> > > progress of the entire primitive with any of this on. But who cares
> > > about details anyway.. :/
> >
> > What's the architectural guarantee on LL/SC progress for RISC-V ?
>
> funct5    | aq | rl   | rs2 |  rs1  | funct3 | rd | opcode
>      5          1    1      5       5         3        5          7
> LR.W/D  ordering  0     addr    width   dest    AMO
> SC.W/D  ordering  src  addr    width   dest    AMO
>
> LR.W loads a word from the address in rs1, places the sign-extended
> value in rd, and registers a reservation set—a set of bytes that
> subsumes the bytes in the addressed word. SC.W conditionally writes a
> word in rs2 to the address in rs1: the SC.W succeeds only if the
> reservation is still valid and the reservation set contains the bytes
> being written. If the SC.W succeeds, the instruction writes the word
> in rs2 to memory, and it writes zero to rd. If the SC.W fails, the
> instruction does not write to memory, and it writes a nonzero value to
> rd. Regardless of success or failure, executing an SC.W instruction
> *invalidates any reservation held by this hart*.
>
> More details, ref:
> https://github.com/riscv/riscv-isa-manual

I think section "3.5.3.2 Reservability PMA" [1] would be a more relevant
link, as this defines memory areas that either do or do not have
forward progress guarantees, including this part:

   "When LR/SC is used for memory locations marked RsrvNonEventual,
     software should provide alternative fall-back mechanisms used when
     lack of progress is detected."

My reading of this is that if the example you tried stalls, then either
the PMA is not RsrvEventual, and it is wrong to rely on ll/sc on this,
or that the PMA is marked RsrvEventual but the implementation is
buggy.

It also seems that the current "amoswap" based implementation
would be reliable independent of RsrvEventual/RsrvNonEventual.
arm64 is already in the situation of having to choose between
two cmpxchg() implementation at runtime to allow falling back to
a slower but more general version, but it's best to avoid that if you
can.

         Arnd

[1] http://www.five-embeddev.com/riscv-isa-manual/latest/machine.html#atomicity-pmas

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Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-27 18:06 [PATCH v4 0/4] riscv: Add qspinlock/qrwlock guoren
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] riscv: cmpxchg.h: Cleanup unused code guoren
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] riscv: cmpxchg.h: Merge macros guoren
2021-03-27 21:25   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-28  1:50     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] locking/qspinlock: Add ARCH_USE_QUEUED_SPINLOCKS_XCHG32 guoren
2021-03-27 18:43   ` Waiman Long
2021-03-28  1:48     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29  7:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29  9:41     ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-29 11:16       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 11:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 12:52           ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29 13:56             ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2021-03-30  2:26               ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  5:51                 ` Anup Patel
2021-03-30  6:26                   ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  7:11                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-31  4:18                   ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31  5:33                     ` Paul Campbell
2021-04-05 16:12                       ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31  6:44                     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31  7:12                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-29 11:19     ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29 11:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 12:01         ` Guo Ren
2021-03-29 12:49           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-30  3:13             ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  4:54               ` Anup Patel
2021-03-30  6:27                 ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30  8:31               ` David Laight
2021-03-30 14:09               ` Waiman Long
2021-03-31 14:47                 ` Guo Ren
2021-04-05 16:45                 ` Guo Ren
2021-03-30 16:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-30 22:35                 ` Stafford Horne
2021-03-31  7:23                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-03-31 12:31                     ` Stafford Horne
2021-03-31 15:10                       ` Guo Ren
2021-04-06  8:51                         ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-06  3:50                     ` Guo Ren
2021-04-06  8:56                       ` Stafford Horne
2021-04-07  8:42                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-04-07 11:36                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 11:57                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-04-07 12:02                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-05 16:40                 ` Guo Ren
2021-03-31 15:22             ` Guo Ren
2021-04-06  7:15               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07  9:42                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-07 14:29                   ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-07 14:34                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-04-07 15:51                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 16:44                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 15:52                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 16:54                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 16:00                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-07 19:50                       ` Christoph Müllner
2021-04-06 17:24               ` Boqun Feng
2021-04-07  9:26                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-29 12:13         ` Anup Patel
2021-03-29 12:54           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-03-27 18:06 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] riscv: Convert custom spinlock/rwlock to generic qspinlock/qrwlock guoren

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