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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/53] Get rid of UTF-8 chars that can be mapped as ASCII
Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 11:54:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2ae366fdff4bd5910a2270823e8da70521c859af.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1620641727.git.mchehab+huawei@kernel.org>

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On Mon, 2021-05-10 at 12:26 +0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> There are several UTF-8 characters at the Kernel's documentation.
> 
> Several of them were due to the process of converting files from
> DocBook, LaTeX, HTML and Markdown. They were probably introduced
> by the conversion tools used on that time.
> 
> Other UTF-8 characters were added along the time, but they're easily
> replaceable by ASCII chars.
> 
> As Linux developers are all around the globe, and not everybody has UTF-8
> as their default charset, better to use UTF-8 only on cases where it is really
> needed.

No, that is absolutely the wrong approach.

If someone has a local setup which makes bogus assumptions about text
encodings, that is their own mistake.

We don't do them any favours by trying to *hide* it in the common case
so that they don't notice it for longer.

There really isn't much excuse for such brokenness, this far into the
21st century.

Even *before* UTF-8 came along in the final decade of the last
millennium, it was important to know which character set a given piece
of text was encoded in.

In fact it was even *more* important back then, we couldn't just assume
UTF-8 everywhere like we can in modern times.

Git can already do things like CRLF conversion on checking files out to
match local conventions; if you want to teach it to do character set
conversions too then I suppose that might be useful to a few developers
who've fallen through a time warp and still need it. But nobody's ever
bothered before because it just isn't necessary these days.

Please *don't* attempt to address this anachronistic and esoteric
"requirement" by dragging the kernel source back in time by three
decades.



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-05-10 11:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-10 10:26 [PATCH 00/53] Get rid of UTF-8 chars that can be mapped as ASCII Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 01/53] docs: cdrom-standard.rst: get rid of uneeded UTF-8 chars Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 02/53] docs: ABI: remove a meaningless UTF-8 character Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 03/53] docs: ABI: remove some spurious characters Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 04/53] docs: index.rst: avoid using UTF-8 chars Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 05/53] docs: hwmon: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 13:30   ` Guenter Roeck
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 06/53] docs: admin-guide: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 18:40   ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2021-05-12  8:44     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-12  9:25       ` David Woodhouse
2021-05-12 10:22         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 07/53] docs: admin-guide: media: ipu3.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 08/53] docs: admin-guide: sysctl: kernel.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 09/53] docs: admin-guide: perf: imx-ddr.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 10/53] docs: admin-guide: pm: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 11/53] docs: trace: coresight: coresight-etm4x-reference.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 19:28   ` Mathieu Poirier
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 12/53] docs: driver-api: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
     [not found]   ` <CAHp75Vegsb-+fVppv3C7Jp0a=mEGAh2pchX=Cr5ZvOMFt+G73Q@mail.gmail.com>
2021-05-12  8:49     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 13/53] docs: driver-api: fpga: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 17:48   ` Moritz Fischer
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 14/53] docs: driver-api: iio: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 15/53] docs: driver-api: thermal: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 16/53] docs: driver-api: media: drivers: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 17/53] docs: driver-api: firmware: other_interfaces.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 18/53] docs: driver-api: nvdimm: btt.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 19/53] docs: fault-injection: nvme-fault-injection.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 20/53] docs: usb: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 21/53] docs: process: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 22/53] docs: block: data-integrity.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 23/53] docs: userspace-api: media: fdl-appendix.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 24/53] docs: userspace-api: media: v4l: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 25/53] docs: userspace-api: media: dvb: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 26/53] docs: vm: zswap.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 27/53] docs: filesystems: f2fs.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-11  3:16   ` [f2fs-dev] " Chao Yu
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 28/53] docs: filesystems: ext4: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 19:23   ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 29/53] docs: kernel-hacking: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 30/53] docs: hid: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 31/53] docs: security: tpm: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 32/53] docs: security: keys: trusted-encrypted.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 33/53] docs: riscv: vm-layout.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 34/53] docs: networking: scaling.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 35/53] docs: networking: devlink: devlink-dpipe.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 36/53] docs: networking: device_drivers: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 37/53] docs: x86: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 38/53] docs: scheduler: sched-deadline.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 39/53] docs: dev-tools: testing-overview.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:48   ` Marco Elver
2021-05-12  8:52     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 23:35   ` David Gow
2021-05-12  8:14     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-12  8:29     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 40/53] docs: power: powercap: powercap.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 41/53] docs: ABI: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 13:53   ` Guenter Roeck
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 42/53] docs: doc-guide: contributing.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 43/53] docs: PCI: acpi-info.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:37   ` Krzysztof Wilczyński
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 44/53] docs: gpu: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 11:16   ` Jani Nikula
2021-05-10 12:36   ` Liviu Dudau
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 45/53] docs: sound: kernel-api: writing-an-alsa-driver.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 46/53] docs: arm64: arm-acpi.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:26 ` [PATCH 47/53] docs: infiniband: tag_matching.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:27 ` [PATCH 48/53] docs: timers: no_hz.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:27 ` [PATCH 49/53] docs: misc-devices: ibmvmc.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:27 ` [PATCH 50/53] docs: firmware-guide: acpi: lpit.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:27 ` [PATCH 51/53] docs: firmware-guide: acpi: dsd: graph.rst: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:27 ` [PATCH 52/53] docs: virt: kvm: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:27 ` [PATCH 53/53] docs: RCU: " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-11  0:05   ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-05-10 10:52 ` [PATCH 00/53] Get rid of UTF-8 chars that can be mapped as ASCII Thorsten Leemhuis
2021-05-10 11:19   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 12:27     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 10:54 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2021-05-10 11:55   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 13:16     ` Edward Cree
2021-05-10 13:38       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 13:58         ` Edward Cree
2021-05-10 13:59       ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-05-10 14:33         ` Edward Cree
2021-05-11  9:00           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-11  9:19             ` David Woodhouse
2021-05-10 13:49     ` David Woodhouse
2021-05-10 19:22       ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-05-11  9:37         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-11  9:25       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-05-10 14:00     ` Ben Boeckel
2021-05-10 21:57 ` Adam Borowski

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