From: Lukas Bulwahn <email@example.com>
To: Thorsten Leemhuis <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Cc: "open list:DOCUMENTATION" <email@example.com>,
Linus Torvalds <firstname.lastname@example.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <email@example.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <firstname.lastname@example.org>,
Randy Dunlap <email@example.com>,
Jonathan Corbet <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 2/2] docs: regressions.rst: rules of thumb for handling regressions
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:16:16 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKXUXMx_J-enVGQtX6ZqKKRZ7SwZe203tLnQoJ=VLPz3tUhK+Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 3:23 PM Thorsten Leemhuis <email@example.com> wrote:
> Add a section with a few rules of thumb about how quickly regressions
> should be fixed. They are written after studying the quotes from Linus
> found in the modified document and especially influenced by statements
> like "Users are literally the _only_ thing that matters" and "without
> users, your program is not a program, it's a pointless piece of code
> that you might as well throw away". The author interpreted those in
> perspective to how the various Linux kernel series are maintained and
> what those practices might mean for users running into a regression when
> That for example lead to the paragraph starting with "Aim to get fixes
> for regressions mainlined within one week after identifying the culprit,
> if the regression was introduced in a stable/longterm release or the
> devel cycle for the latest mainline release". This is a pretty high bar,
> but on the other hand needed to not leave users out in the cold for to
> long. This can quickly happen, as the previous stable series is normally
> stamped "End of Life" about three or four weeks after a new mainline
> release, which makes a lot of users switch during this timeframe. Any of
> them risk running into regressions not promptly fixed; even worse, once
> the previous stable series is EOLed for real, users that face a
> regression might be left with only three options:
> (1) continue running an outdated and thus potentially insecure kernel
> version from an abandoned stable series
> (2) run the kernel with the regression
> (3) downgrade to an earlier longterm series still supported
> This is better avoided, as (1) puts users and their data in danger, (2)
> will only be possible if it's a minor regression that doesn't interfere
> with booting or serious usage, and (3) might be regression itself or
> even impossible, as some users will require drivers or features only
> introduced after the latest longterm series took of. In the end this
> lead to the "Aim to fix regression within one week" part.
> Signed-off-by: Thorsten Leemhuis <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> CC: Linus Torvalds <email@example.com>
> CC: Greg Kroah-Hartman <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Hi! A lot of developers are doing a good job in fixing regressions, but
> I noticed it sometimes it takes many weeks to get even simple fixes for
> regressions merged. Most of the time this is due to these factors:
> * it takes a long time to get the fix ready, as some developers
> apparently don't prioritize work on fixing regressions
> * fully developed fixes linger in git trees of maintainers for weeks,
> sometimes even without the fix being in linux-next
> This is especially a problem for regressions introduced in mainline, but
> only found after the release in the release or a stable kernel series
> derived from it. Sometimes fixes for these regressions are even left
> lying around for weeks until the next merge window, which contributes to
> a huge pile of fixes getting backported to stable and longterm releases
> during or shortly after merge windows. Asking developers to speed things
> up rarely helped, as people have different options on how fast regression
> fixes need to be developed and merged upstream.
> That's why it would be a great help to my work as regression tracker if
> we had some rough written down guideliones for handling regressions, as
> proposed by the patch below. I'm well aware that the texts sets a pretty
> high bar. That's because I approached primarily from the point of a
> user, as can be seen by the patch description.
> The proposed text likely will lead to some discussions, that's why I
> submit this part separately from the rest of the new document on
> regressions, which is added in patch 1/2; I also CCed Linus and Greg on
> this patch and hope they state their opinion or ACK is. In the end I can
> easily tone this down or write something totally different: that's
> totally fine for me, I'm mainly interested to have some expectations
> roughly documented to get everyone on the same page.
> Documentation/admin-guide/regressions.rst | 78 +++++++++++++++++++++++
> 1 file changed, 78 insertions(+)
> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/regressions.rst b/Documentation/admin-guide/regressions.rst
> index 1ff6a0802fc9..5f02a001e53c 100644
> --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/regressions.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/regressions.rst
> @@ -63,6 +63,10 @@ list; add the aforementioned paragraph, just omit the caret (the ^) before the
> ``introduced``, which make regzbot treat your mail (and not the one you reply
> to) as the report.
> +Try to fix regressions quickly once the culprit got identified. Fixes for most
s/got/gets/ --- at least, that is what the gmail grammar spelling suggests :)
> +regressions should be mainlined within two weeks, but some should be addressed
> +within two or three days.
> When submitting fixes for regressions, always include 'Link:' tags in the commit
> message that point to all places where the issue was reported, as explained in
> `Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst` and
> @@ -229,6 +233,80 @@ Alternatively to all the above you can just forward or bounce the report to the
> Linux kernel's regression tracker, but consider the downsides already outlined
> in the previous section.
> +How quickly should regressions get fixed?
> +Developers should fix any reported regression as quickly as possible, to provide
> +affected users with a solution in timely manner and prevent more users from
> +running into the issue; nevertheless developers need to take enough time and
> +care to ensure regression fixes do not cause additional damage.
> +In the end though, developers should give their best to prevent users from
> +running into situations where a regression leaves them only three options: "run
> +a kernel with a regression that seriously impacts usage", "continue running an
> +outdated and thus potentially insecure kernel version for more than two weeks
> +after a regression's culprit got identified", and "downgrade to a still
> +supported kernel series that's missing required features".
> +How to realize this depends a lot on the situation. Here are a few rules of
> +thumb for developers, in order or importance:
> + * Prioritize work on handling reports about regression and fixing them over all
> + other Linux kernel work, unless the latter concerns acute security issues or
> + bugs causing data loss or damage.
> + * Always consider reverting the culprit commits and reapplying them later
> + together with necessary fixes, as this might be the least dangerous and
> + quickest way to fix a regression.
> + * Try to get any regressions introduced in the current development cycle
> + resolved before its end. If you fear a fix might be too risky to apply only
> + days before a new mainline release, let Linus decide: submit the fix
> + separately to him as soon as possible with the explanation of the
> + situation. He then can make a call and postpone the release if necessary,
> + for example if multiple such changes show up in his inbox.
> + * Address regressions in stable, longterm, or proper mainline releases with
> + more urgency than regressions in mainline pre-releases. That changes after
> + the release of the fifth pre-release, aka '-rc5': mainline then becomes as
> + important, to ensure all the improvements and fixes ideally get at least one
> + week of testing together before Linus releases a new mainline version.
> + * Fix regressions within two or three days, if they are critical for some
> + reason -- for example, if the issue is likely to affect many users of the
> + kernel series in question on all or certain architectures. This thus
> + includes fixes for compile errors in mainline, as they might prevent testers
> + and continuous integration systems from doing their work.
> + * Aim to get fixes for regressions mainlined within one week after the culprit
> + was identified, if the regression was introduced in a stable/longterm
> + release or the development cycle for the latest mainline release (say
> + v5.14). If possible, try to address the issue even quicker, if the previous
> + stable series (v5.13.y) will be abandoned soon or already got stamped
> + 'End-of-Life' (EOL) -- this usually happens about three to four weeks after
> + a new mainline release.
> + * Try to fix all other regression within two weeks after the culprit was found.
> + Two or three additional weeks are acceptable for performance regressions and
> + other issues which are annoying, but don't prevent anyone from running Linux
> + -- unless it's an issue in the current development cycle, which should be
> + addressed before the release. A few weeks in total are also acceptable if a
> + regression can only be fixed with a risky change and at the same time is
> + affecting only a few users; as much time is also acceptable if the regression
> + is already present in the second newest longterm kernel series.
> +Note: The aforementioned timeframes for getting a regression resolved are meant
> +to include getting the fix tested, reviewed, and merged into mainline, ideally
> +with the fix being in Linux next for two days. Developers need to keep in mind
> +that each of these steps takes some time.
> +Subsystem maintainer are expected to assist in reaching those periods by doing
> +timely reviews and quick handling of accepted patches. They thus might have to
> +send git-pull requests earlier or more often than usually; depending on the fix,
> +it might even be acceptable to skip testing in Linux-next. Especially fixes for
Thorsten, thanks for this process documentation. It was a nice and
comprehensible read for me. Let us hope it helps contributors and
maintainers to adopt those recommendations. If you need any support of
any kind (more contributors, financial support) for such further
documentation on the development process, please reach out to me and I
will see what I can do.
Reviewed-by: Lukas Bulwahn <email@example.com>
> +regressions in stable and longterm kernels need to be handled quickly, as the
> +fix needs to reach mainline before it can be backported there.
> Do really all regressions get fixed?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-01-04 12:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-01-03 9:50 [RFC PATCH v1 0/2] docs: add a document dedicated to regressions Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-01-03 9:50 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] docs: add a document about regression handling Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-01-03 17:07 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-01-03 17:20 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-01-03 17:55 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-01-04 14:17 ` Lukas Bulwahn
2022-01-04 17:57 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-01-05 8:45 ` Lukas Bulwahn
2022-01-03 9:50 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/2] docs: regressions.rst: rules of thumb for handling regressions Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-01-04 12:16 ` Lukas Bulwahn [this message]
2022-01-04 13:29 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-01-04 14:42 ` Jonathan Corbet
2022-01-04 15:09 ` Randy Dunlap
2022-01-04 18:02 ` Thorsten Leemhuis
2022-01-03 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/2] docs: add a document dedicated to regressions Greg Kroah-Hartman
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