From: "H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>
To: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 01/26] Documentation/x86: Add CET description
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 19:37:00 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMe9rOqwbxis1xEWbOsftMB9Roxdb3=dp=_MgK8z2pwPP36uRw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6272c481-af90-05c5-7231-3ba44ff9bd02@citrix.com>
On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 5:13 PM Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>
> On 15/05/2020 23:43, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > On 5/15/20 2:33 PM, Yu-cheng Yu wrote:
> >> On Fri, 2020-05-15 at 11:39 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> >>> On 5/12/20 4:20 PM, Yu-cheng Yu wrote:
> >>> Can a binary compiled with CET run without CET?
> >> Yes, but a few details:
> >>
> >> - The shadow stack is transparent to the application. A CET application does
> >> not have anything different from a non-CET application. However, if a CET
> >> application uses any CET instructions (e.g. INCSSP), it must first check if CET
> >> is turned on.
> >> - If an application is compiled for IBT, the compiler inserts ENDBRs at branch
> >> targets. These are nops if IBT is not on.
> > I appreciate the detailed response, but it wasn't quite what I was
> > asking. Let's ignore IBT for now and just talk about shadow stacks.
> >
> > An app compiled with the new ELF flags and running on a CET-enabled
> > kernel and CPU will start off with shadow stacks allocated and enabled,
> > right? It can turn its shadow stack off per-thread with the new prctl.
> > But, otherwise, it's stuck, the only way to turn shadow stacks off at
> > startup would be editing the binary.
> >
> > Basically, if there ends up being a bug in an app that violates the
> > shadow stack rules, the app is broken, period. The only recourse is to
> > have the kernel disable CET and reboot.
> >
> > Is that right?
>
> If I may interject with the experience of having got supervisor shadow
> stacks working for Xen.
>
> Turning shadow stacks off is quite easy - clear MSR_U_CET.SHSTK_EN and
> the shadow stack will stay in whatever state it was in, and you can
> largely forget about it. (Of course, in a sandbox scenario, it would be
> prudent to prevent the ability to disable shadow stacks.)
>
> Turning shadow stacks on is much more tricky. You cannot enable it in
> any function you intend to return from, as the divergence between the
> stack and shadow stack will constitute a control flow violation.
>
>
> When it comes to binaries, you can reasonably arrange for clone() to
> start a thread on a new stack/shstk, as you can prepare both stacks
> suitably before execution starts.
>
> You cannot reasonably implement a system call for "turn shadow stacks on
> for me", because you'll crash on the ret out of the VDSO from the system
> call. It would be possible to conceive of an exec()-like system call
> which is "discard my current stack, turn on shstk, and start me on this
> new stack/shstk".
>
> In principle, with a pair of system calls to atomically manage the ststk
> settings and stack switching, it might possible to construct a
> `run_with_shstk_enabled(func, stack, shstk)` API which executes in the
> current threads context and doesn't explode.
>
> Fork() is a problem when shadow stacks are disabled in the parent. The
> moment shadow stacks are disabled, the regular stack diverges from the
> shadow stack. A CET-enabled app which turns off shstk and then fork()'s
> must have the child inherit the shstk-off property. If the child were
> to start with shstk enabled, it would explode almost immediately due to
> the parent's stack divergence which it inherited.
>
>
> Finally seeing as the question was asked but not answered, it is
> actually quite easy to figure out whether shadow stacks are enabled in
> the current thread.
>
> mov $1, %eax
> rdsspd %eax
This is for 32-bit mode. I use
/* Check if shadow stack is in use. */
xorl %esi, %esi
rdsspq %rsi
testq %rsi, %rsi
/* Normal return if shadow stack isn't in use. */
je L(no_shstk)
> cmp $1, %eax
> je no_shstk
> ...
> no_shsk:
>
> rdssp is allocated from the hint nop encoding space, and the minimum
> alignment of the shadow stack pointer is 4. On older parts, or with
> shstk disabled (either at the system level, or for the thread), the $1
> will be preserved in %eax, while if CET is active, it will be clobbered
> with something that has the bottom two bits clear.
>
> It turns out this is a lifesaver for codepaths (e.g. the NMI handler)
> which need to use other CET instructions which aren't from the hint nop
> space, and run before the BSP can set everything up.
>
> ~Andrew
--
H.J.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-05-16 2:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-04-29 22:07 [PATCH v10 00/26] Control-flow Enforcement: Shadow Stack Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 01/26] Documentation/x86: Add CET description Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:53 ` Dave Hansen
2020-04-29 23:02 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-05-12 23:20 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-05-15 18:39 ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-15 21:33 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-05-15 22:43 ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-15 23:29 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-05-15 23:56 ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-16 2:51 ` H.J. Lu
2020-05-17 23:09 ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-16 2:53 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-05-18 13:41 ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-18 14:01 ` H.J. Lu
2020-05-18 14:26 ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-18 14:21 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-05-18 23:47 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-05-19 0:38 ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-19 1:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-20 1:04 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-05-29 2:08 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-05-16 0:13 ` Andrew Cooper
2020-05-16 2:37 ` H.J. Lu [this message]
2020-05-16 14:09 ` Andrew Cooper
2020-05-22 16:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-05-22 17:48 ` Andrew Cooper
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 02/26] x86/cpufeatures: Add CET CPU feature flags for Control-flow Enforcement Technology (CET) Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 03/26] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce CET MSR XSAVES supervisor states Yu-cheng Yu
2020-07-23 16:10 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-07-23 16:21 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 04/26] x86/cet: Add control-protection fault handler Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 05/26] x86/cet/shstk: Add Kconfig option for user-mode Shadow Stack Yu-cheng Yu
2020-05-07 15:55 ` Dave Hansen
2020-05-07 16:59 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 06/26] x86/mm: Change _PAGE_DIRTY to _PAGE_DIRTY_HW Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 07/26] x86/mm: Remove _PAGE_DIRTY_HW from kernel RO pages Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 08/26] x86/mm: Introduce _PAGE_COW Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 09/26] drm/i915/gvt: Change _PAGE_DIRTY to _PAGE_DIRTY_BITS Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 10/26] x86/mm: Update pte_modify for _PAGE_COW Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 11/26] x86/mm: Update ptep_set_wrprotect() and pmdp_set_wrprotect() for transition from _PAGE_DIRTY_HW to _PAGE_COW Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 12/26] mm: Introduce VM_SHSTK for shadow stack memory Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 13/26] x86/mm: Shadow Stack page fault error checking Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 14/26] x86/mm: Update maybe_mkwrite() for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 15/26] mm: Fixup places that call pte_mkwrite() directly Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 16/26] mm: Add guard pages around a shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 17/26] mm/mmap: Add shadow stack pages to memory accounting Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 18/26] mm: Update can_follow_write_pte() for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 19/26] x86/cet/shstk: User-mode shadow stack support Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 20/26] x86/cet/shstk: Handle signals for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 21/26] ELF: UAPI and Kconfig additions for ELF program properties Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 22/26] ELF: Add ELF program property parsing support Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 23/26] ELF: Introduce arch_setup_elf_property() Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 24/26] x86/cet/shstk: ELF header parsing for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 25/26] x86/cet/shstk: Handle thread " Yu-cheng Yu
2020-04-29 22:07 ` [PATCH v10 26/26] x86/cet/shstk: Add arch_prctl functions for " Yu-cheng Yu
2020-05-21 22:42 ` Kees Cook
2020-05-22 17:17 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-05-22 17:29 ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2020-05-22 18:13 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-05-21 15:15 ` [PATCH v10 00/26] Control-flow Enforcement: Shadow Stack Josh Poimboeuf
2020-05-21 15:57 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-05-21 18:50 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2020-05-21 19:08 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-07-23 16:25 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-07-23 16:41 ` Dave Hansen
2020-07-23 16:56 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-07-23 18:41 ` Dave Hansen
2020-07-24 3:40 ` Yu-cheng Yu
2020-07-24 4:50 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-07-24 4:59 ` Sean Christopherson
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