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From: One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
To: David Howells <dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: keyrings-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	matthew.garrett-05XSO3Yj/JvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-security-module-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/16] Kernel lockdown
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 22:27:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161116222731.563fb85e@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <147933283664.19316.12454053022687659937.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>

Whether it's a good idea aside

You need to filter or lock down kernel module options because a lot of
modules let you set the I/O port or similar (eg mmio) which means you can
hack the entire machine with say the 8250 driver just by using it with an
mmio of the right location to patch the secure state to zero just by
getting the ability to write to the modules conf file.

Without that at least fixed I don't see the point in merging this. Either
we don't do it (which given the level of security the current Linux
kernel provides, and also all the golden key messups from elsewhere might
be the honest approach), or at least try and do the job right.

Less security is better than fake security. If you've got less security
your take appropriate precautions. If you rely on fake security you don't.

The two other nasty cases you miss should be fine for x86 secure boot -
but maybe not for secure boot in general. That is firmware loading and
initial firewire state. Both should be fine on any 'secure' boot PC.


Alan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-11-16 22:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-16 21:47 [PATCH 00/16] Kernel lockdown David Howells
2016-11-16 21:47 ` [PATCH 01/16] Add the ability to lock down access to the running kernel image David Howells
     [not found]   ` <147933284407.19316.17886320817060158597.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-16 22:20     ` Borislav Petkov
2016-11-16 22:40   ` David Howells
2016-12-25 21:20   ` Pavel Machek
2016-12-25 21:44   ` David Howells
2016-11-16 21:47 ` [PATCH 02/16] efi: Get the secure boot status David Howells
2016-11-17 12:37   ` Lukas Wunner
2016-11-22  0:31     ` [PATCH 2/6] arm/efi: Allow invocation of arbitrary runtime services David Howells
2016-11-22  0:31     ` [PATCH 3/6] efi: Add SHIM and image security database GUID definitions David Howells
2016-11-22  0:32     ` [PATCH 4/6] efi: Get the secure boot status David Howells
2016-11-22 10:44       ` Lukas Wunner
     [not found]         ` <20161122104401.GC1552-JFq808J9C/izQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-22 10:49           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-22 14:52           ` David Howells
     [not found]             ` <25371.1479826321-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-22 20:36               ` Lukas Wunner
2016-11-22 14:47       ` David Howells
2016-11-22 20:30         ` Lukas Wunner
2016-11-23  0:02         ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <7199.1479826047-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-22 14:57         ` David Howells
2016-11-22  0:32     ` [PATCH 5/6] efi: Disable secure boot if shim is in insecure mode David Howells
2016-11-22 13:03       ` Lukas Wunner
2016-11-22  0:32     ` [PATCH 6/6] efi: Add EFI_SECURE_BOOT bit David Howells
2016-11-22 13:04       ` Lukas Wunner
2016-11-21 11:46   ` [PATCH 02/16] efi: Get the secure boot status David Howells
2016-11-21 19:58     ` Lukas Wunner
     [not found]   ` <20161117123731.GA11573-JFq808J9C/izQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-21 11:42     ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <29779.1479728545-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-21 11:52         ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]       ` <CAKv+Gu-frVDhzORDRZ6XT+FxewsTgrxhXmM=DqaS6Ns4mJhQ9g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-21 12:41         ` David Howells
2016-11-21 13:14           ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]             ` <CAKv+Gu8Lhm=u97hY1y+Y+Ladk=y7pSVNrow8ML1hQUJ9+74B-w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-21 15:17               ` Lukas Wunner
2016-11-21 15:25                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-22  0:31     ` [PATCH 1/6] x86/efi: Allow invocation of arbitrary runtime services David Howells
     [not found]       ` <147977469914.6360.17194649697208113702.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-22 10:20         ` Lukas Wunner
2016-11-22 14:17       ` David Howells
2016-11-22 14:58         ` Joe Perches
     [not found]         ` <1479826691.1942.11.camel-6d6DIl74uiNBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-22 15:52           ` David Howells
     [not found]             ` <24973.1479829961-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-22 16:25               ` Joe Perches
2016-11-22 16:40             ` David Howells
2016-11-22 16:51               ` Joe Perches
2016-11-16 21:47 ` [PATCH 03/16] efi: Disable secure boot if shim is in insecure mode David Howells
2016-11-16 21:47 ` [PATCH 04/16] efi: Lock down the kernel if booted in secure boot mode David Howells
2016-11-16 21:47 ` [PATCH 05/16] efi: Add EFI_SECURE_BOOT bit David Howells
2016-11-17 21:58   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-18 11:58     ` Josh Boyer
     [not found]       ` <CA+5PVA6F5qEnuL2UaXS9_fJ217J93cEZDDsz9Y2BPwHXcMdX-A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-18 12:10         ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]   ` <CAKv+Gu_8r3oM-jvvuSiXTzxp0YMEVgc5KkScJ2UhGTaXm28L6w-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-18 17:28     ` David Howells
2016-11-16 21:48 ` [PATCH 06/16] Add a sysrq option to exit secure boot mode David Howells
2016-11-16 21:48 ` [PATCH 07/16] kexec: Disable at runtime if the kernel is locked down David Howells
2016-11-16 21:48 ` [PATCH 08/16] Copy secure_boot flag in boot params across kexec reboot David Howells
2016-11-16 21:48 ` [PATCH 09/16] hibernate: Disable when the kernel is locked down David Howells
2016-11-16 21:48 ` [PATCH 10/16] PCI: Lock down BAR access " David Howells
     [not found] ` <147933283664.19316.12454053022687659937.stgit-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-16 21:48   ` [PATCH 11/16] x86: Lock down IO port " David Howells
2016-11-16 21:49   ` [PATCH 16/16] x86: Restrict MSR " David Howells
2016-11-16 22:27   ` One Thousand Gnomes [this message]
2016-11-21 19:53     ` [PATCH 00/16] Kernel lockdown Ard Biesheuvel
2016-11-30 14:27       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-11-16 21:48 ` [PATCH 12/16] ACPI: Limit access to custom_method when the kernel is locked down David Howells
2016-11-16 21:48 ` [PATCH 13/16] asus-wmi: Restrict debugfs interface " David Howells
2016-11-16 21:48 ` [PATCH 14/16] Restrict /dev/mem and /dev/kmem " David Howells
2016-11-16 21:49 ` [PATCH 15/16] acpi: Ignore acpi_rsdp kernel param when the kernel has been " David Howells
2016-11-16 22:28 ` [PATCH 00/16] Kernel lockdown Justin Forbes
2016-11-21 23:10 ` [PATCH] Lock down drivers that can have io ports, io mem, irqs and dma changed David Howells
2016-11-22  6:12   ` Dominik Brodowski
2016-11-23 12:58   ` David Howells
2016-11-23 19:21     ` Dominik Brodowski
     [not found]     ` <20161123192143.GA482-SGhQLRGLuNwb6pqDj42GsMgv3T4z79SOrE5yTffgRl4@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-24 17:34       ` David Howells
2016-11-24 20:19         ` Dominik Brodowski
2016-11-25 14:49         ` David Howells
     [not found]   ` <26173.1479769852-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-28 22:32     ` Corey Minyard
2016-11-29  0:11   ` David Howells
2016-11-29  0:23     ` Corey Minyard
2016-11-29 14:03     ` David Howells
     [not found]       ` <6973.1480428211-S6HVgzuS8uM4Awkfq6JHfwNdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-29 14:35         ` Corey Minyard
2016-11-30 14:41         ` One Thousand Gnomes
     [not found]       ` <20161130144105.2b6be4fe-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2016-11-30 16:25         ` David Howells
2016-11-29 10:40   ` David Howells

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