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From: "Fāng-ruì Sòng" <maskray@google.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Arvind Sankar <nivedita@alum.mit.edu>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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	Michal Marek <michal.lkml@markovi.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 13/36] vmlinux.lds.h: add PGO and AutoFDO input sections
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 22:32:27 -0700
Message-ID: <20200804053227.k7zyozzrw5mhv6qi@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200804044532.GC1321588@tassilo.jf.intel.com>

On 2020-08-03, Andi Kleen wrote:
>> Why is that? Both .text and .text.hot have alignment of 2^4 (default
>> function alignment on x86) by default, so it doesn't seem like it should
>> matter for packing density.  Avoiding interspersing cold text among
>
>You may lose part of a cache line on each unit boundary. Linux has
>a lot of units, some of them small. All these bytes add up.
>
>It's bad for TLB locality too. Sadly with all the fine grained protection
>changes the 2MB coverage is eroding anyways, but this makes it even worse.

> Gives worse packing for the hot part
> if they are not aligned to 64byte boundaries, which they are usually
> not.

I do not see how the 64-byte argument is related to this patch.
If a function requires 64-byte alignment to be efficient, the compiler
should communicate this fact by setting the alignment of its containing
section to 64 bytes or above.

If a text section has a 16-byte alignment, the linker can reorder it to
an address which is a multiple of 16 but not a multiple of 64.

I agree with your other statement that having a single input section
description might be helpful. With more than one input section
descrition, the linker has to respect the ordering requirement. With
just one input section description, the linker has more freedom ordering
sections if profitable. For example, LLD performs two ordering
heuristics as my previous reply mentions.

It'd be good if someone can measure the benefit. Personally I don't
think this kind of ordering has significant benefit. (For
arm/aarch64/powerpc there might be some size benefit due to fewer range
extension thunks)

>> regular/hot text seems like it should be a net win.
>
>>
>> That old commit doesn't reference efficiency -- it says there was some
>> problem with matching when they were separated out, but there were no
>> wildcard section names back then.
>
>It was about efficiency.
>
>-Andi
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Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-31 23:07 [PATCH v5 00/36] Warn on orphan section placement Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 01/36] x86/boot/compressed: Move .got.plt entries out of the .got section Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 02/36] x86/boot/compressed: Force hidden visibility for all symbol references Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 03/36] x86/boot/compressed: Get rid of GOT fixup code Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 04/36] x86/boot: Add .text.* to setup.ld Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 05/36] x86/boot: Remove run-time relocations from .head.text code Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:42   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 06/36] x86/boot: Remove run-time relocations from head_{32,64}.S Kees Cook
2020-08-07 18:12   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-07 20:20     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 07/36] x86/boot: Check that there are no run-time relocations Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 08/36] vmlinux.lds.h: Create COMMON_DISCARDS Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 09/36] vmlinux.lds.h: Add .gnu.version* to COMMON_DISCARDS Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 10/36] vmlinux.lds.h: Avoid KASAN and KCSAN's unwanted sections Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 11/36] vmlinux.lds.h: Split ELF_DETAILS from STABS_DEBUG Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 12/36] vmlinux.lds.h: Add .symtab, .strtab, and .shstrtab to ELF_DETAILS Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 13/36] vmlinux.lds.h: add PGO and AutoFDO input sections Kees Cook
2020-08-01  3:51   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-01  6:18     ` Kees Cook
2020-08-01 17:27       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-03 19:05     ` Andi Kleen
2020-08-03 20:15       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-04  1:19         ` Fāng-ruì Sòng
2020-08-04  4:45         ` Andi Kleen
2020-08-04  5:32           ` Fāng-ruì Sòng [this message]
2020-08-04 16:06           ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-21 19:18             ` Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 14/36] efi/libstub: Disable -mbranch-protection Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:07 ` [PATCH v5 15/36] arm64/mm: Remove needless section quotes Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 16/36] arm64/kernel: Remove needless Call Frame Information annotations Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 17/36] arm64/build: Remove .eh_frame* sections due to unwind tables Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 18/36] arm64/build: Use common DISCARDS in linker script Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 19/36] arm64/build: Add missing DWARF sections Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 20/36] arm64/build: Assert for unwanted sections Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 21/36] arm64/build: Warn on orphan section placement Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 22/36] arm/build: Refactor linker script headers Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 23/36] arm/build: Explicitly keep .ARM.attributes sections Kees Cook
2020-08-03 19:02   ` Nick Desaulniers
2020-08-17 22:06     ` Fangrui Song
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 24/36] arm/build: Add missing sections Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 25/36] arm/build: Warn on orphan section placement Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 26/36] arm/boot: Handle all sections explicitly Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 27/36] arm/boot: Warn on orphan section placement Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 28/36] x86/asm: Avoid generating unused kprobe sections Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 29/36] x86/build: Enforce an empty .got.plt section Kees Cook
2020-08-01  2:12   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-01  5:32     ` Kees Cook
2020-08-21 17:49     ` Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 30/36] x86/build: Assert for unwanted sections Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 31/36] x86/build: Warn on orphan section placement Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 32/36] x86/boot/compressed: Reorganize zero-size section asserts Kees Cook
2020-08-01  1:47   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-01  2:53     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-01  5:36       ` Kees Cook
2020-08-01 17:12         ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-21 18:24           ` Kees Cook
2020-08-01  5:35     ` Kees Cook
2020-08-01 17:00       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-08-21 18:19     ` Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 33/36] x86/boot/compressed: Remove, discard, or assert for unwanted sections Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 34/36] x86/boot/compressed: Add missing debugging sections to output Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 35/36] x86/boot/compressed: Warn on orphan section placement Kees Cook
2020-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH v5 36/36] arm/build: Assert for unwanted sections Kees Cook

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