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From: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 22/58] fs/f2fs: Utilize new kmap_thread()
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:53:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201012195354.GC2046448@iweiny-DESK2.sc.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201012164438.GA20115@casper.infradead.org>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 05:44:38PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 09:28:29AM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > kmap_atomic() is always preferred over kmap()/kmap_thread().
> > kmap_atomic() is _much_ more lightweight since its TLB invalidation is
> > always CPU-local and never broadcast.
> > 
> > So, basically, unless you *must* sleep while the mapping is in place,
> > kmap_atomic() is preferred.
> 
> But kmap_atomic() disables preemption, so the _ideal_ interface would map
> it only locally, then on preemption make it global.  I don't even know
> if that _can_ be done.  But this email makes it seem like kmap_atomic()
> has no downsides.

And that is IIUC what Thomas was trying to solve.

Also, Linus brought up that kmap_atomic() has quirks in nesting.[1]

From what I can see all of these discussions support the need to have something
between kmap() and kmap_atomic().

However, the reason behind converting call sites to kmap_thread() are different
between Thomas' patch set and mine.  Both require more kmap granularity.
However, they do so with different reasons and underlying implementations but
with the _same_ resulting semantics; a thread local mapping which is
preemptable.[2]  Therefore they each focus on changing different call sites.

While this patch set is huge I think it serves a valuable purpose to identify a
large number of call sites which are candidates for this new semantic.

Ira

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=wgbmwsTOKs23Z=71EBTrULoeaH2U3TNqT2atHEWvkBKdw@mail.gmail.com/
[2] It is important to note these implementations are not incompatible with
each other.  So I don't see yet another 'kmap_something()' being required.

  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-12 19:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-09 19:49 [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 00/58] PMEM: Introduce stray write protection for PMEM ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 01/58] x86/pks: Add a global pkrs option ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 02/58] x86/pks/test: Add testing for global option ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 03/58] memremap: Add zone device access protection ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 04/58] kmap: Add stray access protection for device pages ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 05/58] kmap: Introduce k[un]map_thread ira.weiny
2020-11-10  1:13   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-11-10  4:59     ` Ira Weiny
2020-11-10  8:48       ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 06/58] kmap: Introduce k[un]map_thread debugging ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 07/58] drivers/drbd: Utilize new kmap_thread() ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 08/58] drivers/firmware_loader: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 09/58] drivers/gpu: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 22:03   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-10 23:01     ` Ira Weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 10/58] drivers/rdma: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 11/58] drivers/net: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 12/58] fs/afs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 13/58] fs/btrfs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 14/58] fs/cifs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 15/58] fs/ecryptfs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 16/58] fs/gfs2: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 17/58] fs/nilfs2: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 18/58] fs/hfs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 19/58] fs/hfsplus: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 20/58] fs/jffs2: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 21/58] fs/nfs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 22/58] fs/f2fs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 21:34   ` Eric Biggers
2020-10-10  0:39     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-10-10  1:30       ` Eric Biggers
2020-10-12  6:56         ` Ira Weiny
2020-10-12 16:19           ` Eric Biggers
2020-10-12 16:28             ` Dave Hansen
2020-10-12 16:44               ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-10-12 19:53                 ` Ira Weiny [this message]
2020-10-12 20:02                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-10-12 23:31                     ` Ira Weiny
2020-10-10  2:43     ` James Bottomley
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 23/58] fs/fuse: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:49 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 24/58] fs/freevxfs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-13 11:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-10-13 20:52     ` Ira Weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 25/58] fs/reiserfs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 26/58] fs/zonefs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-12  2:30   ` Damien Le Moal
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 27/58] fs/ubifs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 28/58] fs/cachefiles: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 29/58] fs/ntfs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 30/58] fs/romfs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 31/58] fs/vboxsf: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 32/58] fs/hostfs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 33/58] fs/cramfs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-13 18:36   ` Nicolas Pitre
2020-10-13 18:44   ` Dan Williams
2020-10-13 19:36     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-10-13 19:41       ` Dan Williams
2020-10-13 20:01       ` Al Viro
2020-10-13 20:50         ` Ira Weiny
2020-10-13 20:45       ` Ira Weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 34/58] fs/erofs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 35/58] fs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 36/58] fs/ext2: Use ext2_put_page ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 37/58] fs/ext2: Utilize new kmap_thread() ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 38/58] fs/isofs: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 39/58] fs/jffs2: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 40/58] net: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 41/58] drivers/target: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 42/58] drivers/scsi: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 43/58] drivers/mmc: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 44/58] drivers/xen: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 45/58] drivers/firmware: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 46/58] drives/staging: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 47/58] drivers/mtd: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 48/58] drivers/md: " ira.weiny
2020-10-10  2:20   ` Coly Li
2020-10-12  5:28     ` Ira Weiny
2020-10-12  7:40       ` Coly Li
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 49/58] drivers/misc: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 50/58] drivers/android: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 51/58] kernel: " ira.weiny
2020-10-10  3:43   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 52/58] mm: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 53/58] lib: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 54/58] powerpc: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 55/58] samples: " ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 56/58] dax: Stray access protection for dax_direct_access() ira.weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 57/58] nvdimm/pmem: Stray access protection for pmem->virt_addr ira.weiny
2020-10-10  2:53   ` John Hubbard
2020-10-12  5:52     ` Ira Weiny
2020-10-09 19:50 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 58/58] [dax|pmem]: Enable stray access protection ira.weiny
2020-10-10 11:36 ` [PATCH RFC PKS/PMEM 10/58] drivers/rdma: Utilize new kmap_thread() Bernard Metzler
2020-10-12  4:47   ` Ira Weiny

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