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From: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
To: Arvind Sankar <nivedita@alum.mit.edu>
Cc: linux-efi <linux-efi@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>,
	Leif Lindholm <leif@nuviainc.com>,
	Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>,
	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@google.com>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@csgraf.de>,
	Daniel Kiper <daniel.kiper@oracle.com>,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	Michael Brown <mbrown@fensystems.co.uk>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] efi/x86: add support for generic EFI mixed mode boot
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 00:21:30 +0000
Message-ID: <CAKv+Gu92Tny_PJjddAtLrhdFJm0GqgSfj3NA26PX6xOiaStozg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200214001257.GB3054227@rani.riverdale.lan>

On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 01:13, Arvind Sankar <nivedita@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 07:10:49PM -0500, Arvind Sankar wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 10:36:14PM +0000, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 19:47, Arvind Sankar <nivedita@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 05:55:44PM +0000, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 18:53, Arvind Sankar <nivedita@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > > > > > As an alternative to the new section, how about having a CONFIG option
> > > > > > to emit the 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit PE header instead, which would
> > > > > > point to efi32_pe_entry? In that case it could be directly loaded by
> > > > > > existing firmware already. You could even have a tool that can mangle an
> > > > > > existing bzImage's header from 64-bit to 32-bit, say using the newly
> > > > > > added kernel_info structure to record the existence and location of
> > > > > > efi32_pe_entry.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That wouldn't work with, say, signed distro kernels.
> > > >
> > > > No, the idea would be that the distro would distribute two signed
> > > > images, one 32-bit and one 64-bit, which are identical except for the
> > > > header. At install time, the installer chooses based on the system's
> > > > firmware bit-ness.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I guess it would be possible, but then we'd need two different images
> > > while today, we can run the same image on both kinds of firmwares. The
> > > only thing I am trying to do is remove all the quirky bootparams stuff
> > > from the loader so that we can switch to LoadImage
> >
> > Yeah, but doing that will allow you to boot directly from firmware on
> > existing machines, and only one image needs to be chosen at install
> > time, so it just adds a few MiB to the package. I guess most people will
> > still use a boot manager or loader that can be easily enhanced to use
> > LoadImage and the new section, but it would be nice to have the option
> > to avoid that.


I see the value of having a 64-bit image that can boot natively on
32-bit firmware, but I am not expecting any buy in from the distros
for this scheme.


>
> Also not quite today, right? You still need this patchset and the
> modifications to bootloaders to get away with one image.

Sure. But we already have mixed mode support today that doesn't
require this, so it's going to be a difficult sell to switch to a new
scheme that requires infrastructure to distribute different kernels,
and logic to choose between the two.

A generic EFI bootloader/firmware will need to implement the initrd
loadfile2 protocol as well, so some Linux specific features will need
to be implemented anyway. This series is intended to ensure that mixed
mode doesn't get left behind, even though very few people use it
today.

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Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-13 14:59 Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-13 14:59 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] efi/x86: drop redundant .bss section Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-13 14:59 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] efi/x86: add true mixed mode entry point into .compat section Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-13 16:59   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-13 17:13     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-13 14:59 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] efi/x86: implement mixed mode boot without the handover protocol Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-13 17:23   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-13 17:42     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-13 17:53 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] efi/x86: add support for generic EFI mixed mode boot Arvind Sankar
2020-02-13 17:55   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-13 18:47     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-13 22:36       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-14  0:10         ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-14  0:12           ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-14  0:21             ` Ard Biesheuvel [this message]
2020-02-14  0:38               ` Arvind Sankar

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