From: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, leif@nuviainc.com,
pjones@redhat.com, mjg59@google.com, agraf@csgraf.de,
ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org, xypron.glpk@gmx.de,
daniel.kiper@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] arch-agnostic initrd loading method for EFI systems
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 10:22:44 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <cfb38b38-14f2-c61a-60a0-dfe14667b49c@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa3b3103-e77d-571d-71a4-604fa48368e6@redhat.com>
On 02/07/20 10:09, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
> On 02/06/20 15:03, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
>> This series introduces an arch agnostic way of loading the initrd into
>> memory from the EFI stub. This addresses a number of shortcomings that
>> affect the current implementations that exist across architectures:
>>
>> - The initrd=<file> command line option can only load files that reside
>> on the same file system that the kernel itself was loaded from, which
>> requires the bootloader or firmware to expose that file system via the
>> appropriate EFI protocol, which is not always feasible. From the kernel
>> side, this protocol is problematic since it is incompatible with mixed
>> mode on x86 (this is due to the fact that some of its methods have
>> prototypes that are difficult to marshall)
>>
>> - The approach that is ordinarily taken by GRUB is to load the initrd into
>> memory, and pass it to the kernel proper via the bootparams structure or
>> via the device tree. This requires the boot loader to have an understanding
>> of those structures, which are not always set in stone, and of the policies
>> around where the initrd may be loaded into memory. In the ARM case, it
>> requires GRUB to modify the hardware description provided by the firmware,
>> given that the initrd base and offset in memory are passed via the same
>> data structure. It also creates a time window where the initrd data sits
>> in memory, and can potentially be corrupted before the kernel is booted.
>>
>> Considering that we will soon have new users of these interfaces (EFI for
>> kvmtool on ARM, RISC-V in u-boot, etc), it makes sense to add a generic
>> interface now, before having another wave of bespoke arch specific code
>> coming in.
>>
>> Another aspect to take into account is that support for UEFI secure boot
>> and measured boot is being taken into the upstream, and being able to
>> rely on the PE entry point for booting any architecture makes the GRUB
>> vs shim story much cleaner, as we should be able to rely on LoadImage
>> and StartImage on all architectures, while retaining the ability to
>> load initrds from anywhere.
>>
>> Note that these patches depend on a fair amount of cleanup work that I
>> am targetting for v5.7. Branch can be found at:
>> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ardb/linux.git/log/?h=efistub-unification2
>>
>> An implementation for ArmVirtQemu (OVMF for ARM aka AAVMF) can be found
>> at https://github.com/ardbiesheuvel/edk2/commits/linux-efi-generic.
>> The change is for ARM only, but the exact same code could be used on x86.
>
> I like this ArmVirtQemu feature, but I think it should be implemented as
> an addition, rather than a replacement. Older kernels (older EFI stubs)
> will try to fetch the initrd from the same fs where grub loaded the
> kernel from (exactly as you describe in the blurb).
>
> For example, virt-install's "--location" option "can recognize certain
> distribution trees and fetches a bootable kernel/initrd pair to launch
> the install". It would be nice to keep that working for older distros.
>
> I think LoadFile[2] can co-exist with SimpleFs.
>
> I also think that the "try SimpleFs first, fall back to LoadFile[2]
> second" requirement applies only to the UEFI boot manager, and not to
> the kernel's EFI stub. IOW in the new approach the kernel is free to
> ignore (abandon) the old approach for good.
... But that might not be good for compatibility with grub and/or the
platform firmware, from the kernel's own perspective, perhaps?...
Who is supposed to produce LoadFile2 with the new VenMedia devpath?
Thanks
Laszlo
>>
>> Cc: lersek@redhat.com
>> Cc: leif@nuviainc.com
>> Cc: pjones@redhat.com
>> Cc: mjg59@google.com
>> Cc: agraf@csgraf.de
>> Cc: ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org
>> Cc: xypron.glpk@gmx.de
>> Cc: daniel.kiper@oracle.com
>>
>> Ard Biesheuvel (2):
>> efi/libstub: add support for loading the initrd from a device path
>> efi/libstub: take noinitrd cmdline argument into account for devpath
>> initrd
>>
>> drivers/firmware/efi/libstub/arm-stub.c | 21 ++++--
>> .../firmware/efi/libstub/efi-stub-helper.c | 74 +++++++++++++++++++
>> drivers/firmware/efi/libstub/efistub.h | 13 ++++
>> drivers/firmware/efi/libstub/x86-stub.c | 51 ++++++++++---
>> include/linux/efi.h | 1 +
>> 5 files changed, 146 insertions(+), 14 deletions(-)
>>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-02-07 9:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-02-06 14:03 [PATCH 0/2] arch-agnostic initrd loading method for EFI systems Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-06 14:03 ` [PATCH 1/2] efi/libstub: add support for loading the initrd from a device path Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-06 18:26 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2020-02-06 18:46 ` Ilias Apalodimas
2020-02-06 19:15 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2020-02-06 20:09 ` Ilias Apalodimas
2020-02-06 22:49 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2020-02-07 7:35 ` Ilias Apalodimas
2020-02-06 22:35 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-07 0:01 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2020-02-07 0:21 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-07 0:57 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2020-02-07 8:12 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-07 13:30 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2020-02-07 13:58 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-07 14:18 ` Alexander Graf
2020-02-07 15:30 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-07 15:35 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2020-02-07 11:09 ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-02-07 11:03 ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-02-07 9:48 ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-02-07 12:36 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-10 14:26 ` Laszlo Ersek
2020-02-09 6:39 ` Lukas Wunner
2020-02-09 11:35 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-06 14:03 ` [PATCH 2/2] efi/libstub: take noinitrd cmdline argument into account for devpath initrd Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-06 18:33 ` Heinrich Schuchardt
2020-02-06 23:44 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-12 16:01 ` Peter Jones
2020-02-07 9:09 ` [PATCH 0/2] arch-agnostic initrd loading method for EFI systems Laszlo Ersek
2020-02-07 9:22 ` Laszlo Ersek [this message]
2020-02-07 12:23 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-07 16:20 ` James Bottomley
2020-02-07 18:31 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-07 19:54 ` James Bottomley
2020-02-07 20:03 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-07 18:45 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-02-07 19:47 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-02-07 20:26 ` Arvind Sankar
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=cfb38b38-14f2-c61a-60a0-dfe14667b49c@redhat.com \
--to=lersek@redhat.com \
--cc=agraf@csgraf.de \
--cc=ardb@kernel.org \
--cc=daniel.kiper@oracle.com \
--cc=ilias.apalodimas@linaro.org \
--cc=leif@nuviainc.com \
--cc=linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org \
--cc=linux-efi@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=mjg59@google.com \
--cc=pjones@redhat.com \
--cc=xypron.glpk@gmx.de \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).