From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68417C49ED7 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 23:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A188214AF for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 23:18:21 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1568675901; bh=k8Ff3xzif5fguLn9kTe6e2YwVW5jxHQxt8hPgzUOjSo=; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Subject:To:Cc:List-ID:From; b=dRzDfm9Ml+OdMaKs6ieJWM4Pc16r7K7QRZW5KzlJjCt+dJIivndxX5WW1xy7sjBpQ nrETjk/obeGTDkpRcU5faVrlTmMEQdmYS1HIedtM8miEWwbJJZ3niaE8pXEGyn6AqD 05VBWjzulLhBXzoRaHSZPjmLRXEL02gDjupXn5P4= Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1733114AbfIPXSU (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Sep 2019 19:18:20 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-f193.google.com ([209.85.208.193]:37546 "EHLO mail-lj1-f193.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1729943AbfIPXSU (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Sep 2019 19:18:20 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-f193.google.com with SMTP id c22so1565068ljj.4 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:18:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux-foundation.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=eHtNi0a+TimuxW1u+d3PsNmzsTMMHbqdiEbQwvAU2DI=; b=WXA66mIqE1S4egtmENLvgyssWbOsKrwZhBbRFIiaAIR05oCwS4ealdQRJKD/DWEh3y Ha5Sk981WcJ+TqA+sEbflrz2FIBzz+Kd+LYdbaQMvLGJqdiVkfITbf7ZLiijaZWShWen RDjXcS9k5dUiLdfpQFn7HZtrdW4x1dPlKUXz8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eHtNi0a+TimuxW1u+d3PsNmzsTMMHbqdiEbQwvAU2DI=; b=t6s8CZy3EnCBZUmIUxWYp4cGbrKdpTv0Q/NYQvdm1zPSG8AgUCQ6pgG7/mnj+3EjhK Rpel+uIUIIYQL3gqlY9xOPfG89MRtm/vhKduxegkvOkqztbeg2R+2Wm/nNjq+1MdSVYB ZHEEVFVIYOv2osEGiM6wuZxww3cumkuSyAC5W5zBGlqbBYtqHEwZDls73VWoPmj0K9b+ WnkXedPVmlgGLKHzGG5SOHVaT3jb+hFNFwXSCEetfBqVF0SAFZNNMDXLyfVeRfZhEQfE 6GOO2P01nOHhKmn6aUbXDZ+WJKNyDTOOHTwIJ7GU6rxoiIfnKOw6G3udDoxoHxMTOxw8 fU1g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXWPM3UblZ/VTjaaUppR10T7zMeeGxDkcGp/nlkONsFMLxgaiT2 1ziaUyBj6spAzCEzQbb0mVFxDsG5C30= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxdhgXHIitf3MKUrRYFElZjBS9kzoeZZqMosyuglhFxLwujkQlMovwogbW2W5PuaRBNdPE/Eg== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:3902:: with SMTP id g2mr176479lja.196.1568675898273; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-f41.google.com (mail-lf1-f41.google.com. [209.85.167.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r6sm60163ljr.77.2019.09.16.16.18.17 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-f41.google.com with SMTP id u28so1298535lfc.5 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:18:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:ac2:5a4c:: with SMTP id r12mr345568lfn.52.1568675896897; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:18:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190916014833.cbetw4sqm3lq4x6m@shells.gnugeneration.com> <20190916024904.GA22035@mit.edu> <20190916042952.GB23719@1wt.eu> <20190916061252.GA24002@1wt.eu> <20190916172117.GB15263@mit.edu> <20190916230217.vmgvsm6o2o4uq5j7@srcf.ucam.org> <20190916231103.bic65ab4ifv7vhio@srcf.ucam.org> In-Reply-To: <20190916231103.bic65ab4ifv7vhio@srcf.ucam.org> From: Linus Torvalds Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:18:00 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Linux 5.3-rc8 To: Matthew Garrett Cc: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" , Willy Tarreau , Vito Caputo , "Ahmed S. Darwish" , Lennart Poettering , Andreas Dilger , Jan Kara , Ray Strode , William Jon McCann , "Alexander E. Patrakov" , zhangjs , linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, lkml Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: linux-ext4-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Post: On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 4:11 PM Matthew Garrett wrote: > > In one case we have "Systems don't boot, but you can downgrade your > kernel" and in the other case we have "Your cryptographic keys are weak > and you have no way of knowing unless you read dmesg", and I think > causing boot problems is the better outcome here. Or: In one case you have a real and present problem. In the other case, people are talking hypotheticals. Linus