From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Message-ID: <1484525991.27533.31.camel@dubeyko.com> Subject: Re: [LSF/MM TOPIC] Future direction of DAX From: Viacheslav Dubeyko To: "Darrick J. Wong" , Ross Zwisler , lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 16:19:51 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20170114082621.GC10498@birch.djwong.org> References: <20170114002008.GA25379@linux.intel.com> <20170114082621.GC10498@birch.djwong.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org List-ID: On Sat, 2017-01-14 at 00:26 -0800, Darrick J. Wong wrote: > Some day we'll start designing a pmem-native fs, I guess. :P There are research efforts in this direction already ([1]-[15]). The latest one is NOVA, as far as I can see. But, frankly speaking, I believe that we need in new hardware paradigm/architecture and new OS paradigm for the next generation of NVM memory. The DAX is simple palliative, temporary solution. But, from my point of view, pmem-native fs is also not good direction because, anyway, memory subsystem will be affected significantly. And, finally, evolution of memory subsystem will reveal something completely different that we can imagine right now. Thanks, Vyacheslav Dubeyko.  [1] http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~swift/papers/eurosys14-aerie.pdf [2] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282792714_A_User-Level_File_System_for_Fast_Storage_Devices [3] https://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/~dcoetzee/publications/Better%20IO%20Through%20Byte-Addressable,%20Persistent%20Memory.pdf [4] https://www.computer.org/csdl/proceedings/msst/2013/0217/00/06558440.pdf [5] https://users.soe.ucsc.edu/~scott/papers/MASCOTS04b.pdf [6] http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4142472/ [7] https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~swanson/papers/FAST2016NOVA.pdf [8] http://cesg.tamu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/MSST13.pdf [9] http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5487498/ [10] https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/544c/1ddf24b90c3dfba7b1934049911b869c99b4.pdf [11] http://pramfs.sourceforge.net/tech.html [12] https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2981/b5abcbe1023b9f3cd962b0be7ef8bd45acfd.pdf [13] http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6232378/ [14] http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7304365/ [15] http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6272446/ -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: email@kvack.org