From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Martin Steigerwald Subject: Re: xfs: does mkfs.xfs require fancy switches to get decent performance? (was Tux3 Report: How fast can we fsync?) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 21:09:58 +0200 Message-ID: <1804876.U7q4ey1Nv3@merkaba> References: <5552A844.6070806@phunq.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: David Lang , Theodore Ts'o , Howard Chu , Dave Chinner , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mike Galbraith , Pavel Machek , tux3@tux3.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, OGAWA Hirofumi To: Daniel Phillips Return-path: In-Reply-To: <5552A844.6070806@phunq.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: linux-fsdevel.vger.kernel.org Am Dienstag, 12. Mai 2015, 18:26:28 schrieb Daniel Phillips: > On 05/12/2015 03:35 PM, David Lang wrote: > > On Tue, 12 May 2015, Daniel Phillips wrote: > >> On 05/12/2015 02:30 PM, David Lang wrote: > >>> You need to get out of the mindset that Ted and Dave are Enemies = that > >>> you need to overcome, they are friendly competitors, not Enemies. > >>=20 > >> You are wrong about Dave These are not the words of any friend: > >> "I don't think I'm alone in my suspicion that there was somethin= g > >> stinky about your numbers." -- Dave Chinner > > > >=20 > > > > you are looking for offense. That just means that something is wron= g > > with them, not that they were deliberatly falsified. >=20 > I am not mistaken. Dave made sure to eliminate any doubt about > what he meant. He said "Oh, so nicely contrived. But terribly > obvious now that I've found it" among other things. Daniel, what are you trying to achieve here? I thought you wanted to create interest for your filesystem and accepta= nce=20 for merging it. What I see you are actually creating tough is something different. Is what you see after you send your mails really what you want to see? = If=20 not=E2=80=A6 why not? And if you seek change, where can you create chan= ge? I really like to see Tux3 inside the kernel for easier testing, yet I a= lso=20 see that the way you, in your oppinion, "defend" it, does not seem to m= ove=20 that goal any closer, quite the opposite. It triggers polarity and=20 resistance. I believe it to be more productive to work together with the people who= will=20 decide about what goes into the kernel and the people whose oppinions a= re=20 respected by them, instead of against them. "Assume good faith" can help here. No amount of accusing people of bad=20 intention will change them. The only thing you have the power to change= is=20 your approach. You absolutely and ultimately do not have the power to c= hange=20 other people. You can=C2=B4t force Tux3 in by sheer willpower or attack= ing=20 people. On any account for anyone discussing here: I believe that any personal=20 attacks, counter-attacks or "you are wrong" kind of speech will not hel= p to=20 move this discussion out of the circling it seems to be in at the momen= t. Ciao, --=20 Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7