From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Daniel Phillips Subject: Re: [FYI] tux3: Core changes Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 10:27:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1981a91e-30a9-43ce-9a05-14aa777e46a5@phunq.net> References: <67294911-1776-46b8-916d-0e5642a38725@phunq.net> <20150526070910.GA3307@quack.suse.cz> <20150526090058.GA8024@quack.suse.cz> <5564D60E.6000306@phunq.net> <20150527084138.GD2590@quack.suse.cz> <87a8vtdqfz.fsf@mail.parknet.co.jp> <20150623161247.GP2427@quack.suse.cz> <87k2ueepd6.fsf@mail.parknet.co.jp> <20150709160528.GK2900@quack.suse.cz> <874mklaqbn.fsf@mail.parknet.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Lang , Rik van Riel , Jan Kara , tux3@tux3.org, Linux Kernel Mailing List , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, OGAWA Hirofumi To: Raymond Jennings Return-path: In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tux3-bounces@phunq.net Sender: "Tux3" List-Id: linux-fsdevel.vger.kernel.org On Friday, July 31, 2015 8:37:35 AM PDT, Raymond Jennings wrote: > Returning ENOSPC when you have free space you can't yet prove is safer than > not returning it and risking a data loss when you get hit by a write/commit > storm. :) Remember when delayed allocation was scary and unproven, because proving that ENOSPC will always be returned when needed is extremely difficult? But the performance advantage was compelling, so we just worked at it until it worked. There were times when it didn't work properly, but the code was in the tree so it got fixed. It's like that now with page forking - a new technique with compelling advantages, and some challenges. In the past, we (the Linux community) would rise to the challenge and err on the side of pushing optimizations in early. That was our mojo, and that is how Linux became the dominant operating system it is today. Do we, the Linux community, still have that mojo? Regards, Daniel