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From: Jan Blunck <jblunck@suse.de>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, bharata@in.ibm.com, dwmw2@infradead.org,
	mszeredi@suse.cz, vaurora@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/32] VFS based Union Mount (V3)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 14:15:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090519121504.GO16526@bolzano.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200905191354.08701.arnd@arndb.de>

On Tue, May 19, Arnd Bergmann wrote:

> On Tuesday 19 May 2009, Jan Blunck wrote:
> > > So this means that the topmost branch always needs to be writable,
> > > right?  It isn't possible to make a union of two iso9660 filesystems,
> > > for example?
> > 
> > Exactly. Although, you can do that with the help of tmpfs on top of the two
> > iso9660 filesystems.
> 
> But how do you get there? You can mount the tmpfs on top of two iso9660
> file systems, but it seems that you wouldn't be able to get the two
> stacked on top of each other in the first place.

Well, at the moment you can stack them but readdir will fail every time you
call it ... I think this is just a question of policy if we want to allow that
or not.

> Also, by mounting a tmpfs on top, wouldn't you you violate the requirement
> for persistent inode numbers again?

There is no requirement for persistent unique inode numbers except if you want
to export the union again. This is something that is out of scope of this
implementation. If you are going to export a union mounted filesystem, you
only export the topmost filesystem.

> > Or by adding fake write support to iso9660 ... 
> 
> This would work, but you'd have to do this for each file system if you want
> to be able to use it as the top of the union while backed by a read-only
> block device or when you don't want it to be written.

I know that the requirement for the topmost filesystem to be able to create
directories and fill them with fallthrus is an unattractive one. On the other
hand this is the cost that you have to pay at the moment to get this kind of
functionality. This implementation will not help with all use-cases. Its focus
is to get certain use-cases right.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-19 12:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-18 16:08 [PATCH 00/32] VFS based Union Mount (V3) Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:08 ` [PATCH 01/32] atomic: Only take lock when the counter drops to zero on UP as well Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:08 ` [PATCH 02/32] VFS: BUG() if somebody tries to rehash an already hashed dentry Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:08 ` [PATCH 03/32] VFS: propagate mnt_flags into do_loopback Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 04/32] VFS: Make lookup_hash() return a struct path Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 05/32] VFS: Remove unnecessary micro-optimization in cached_lookup() Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 06/32] VFS: Make real_lookup() return a struct path Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 07/32] VFS: Introduce dput() variant that maintains a kill-list Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 08/32] whiteout: Don't return information about whiteouts to userspace Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 09/32] whiteout: Add vfs_whiteout() and whiteout inode operation Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 10/32] whiteout: Set S_OPAQUE inode flag when creating directories Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 11/32] whiteout: Add whiteout support to tmpfs Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 12/32] whiteout: Split of ext2_append_link() from ext2_add_link() Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 13/32] whiteout: Add whiteout support to ext2 Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 14/32] whiteout: Add path_whiteout() helper Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 15/32] union-mount: Documentation Jan Blunck
2009-05-25  6:25   ` hooanon05
2009-05-25  8:03     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-25  8:43       ` hooanon05
2009-06-18 19:05         ` Valerie Aurora
2009-06-19  1:53           ` hooanon05
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 16/32] union-mount: Introduce MNT_UNION and MS_UNION flags Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 17/32] union-mount: Introduce union_mount structure Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 18/32] union-mount: Drive the union cache via dcache Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 19/32] union-mount: Some checks during namespace changes Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 20/32] union-mount: Changes to the namespace handling Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 21/32] union-mount: Make lookup work for union-mounted file systems Jan Blunck
2009-05-19 16:15   ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-05-19 17:30     ` Valerie Aurora
2009-05-20 10:21       ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 22/32] union-mount: stop lookup when directory has S_OPAQUE flag set Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 23/32] union-mount: stop lookup when finding a whiteout Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 24/32] union-mount: in-kernel file copy between union mounted filesystems Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 25/32] union-mount: check for logically empty directory (FIXME) Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 26/32] union-mount: call do_whiteout() on unlink and rmdir Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 27/32] union-mount: Always create topmost directory on open Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 28/32] union-mount: Basic fallthru definitions Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 29/32] union mount: Support for fallthru entries in union mount lookup Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 30/32] union mount: ext2 fallthru support Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:32   ` Andreas Dilger
2009-05-19  9:42     ` Jan Blunck
2009-05-19 14:05       ` Andreas Dilger
2009-05-19 16:13         ` Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 31/32] union-mount: tmpfs " Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 16:09 ` [PATCH 32/32] union-mount: Copy up directory entries on first readdir() Jan Blunck
2009-05-18 20:40 ` [PATCH] Userland for VFS based Union Mount (V3) Valerie Aurora
2009-05-21 13:53   ` Andreas Dilger
2009-06-18  3:22     ` Valerie Aurora
2009-05-19  9:48 ` [PATCH 00/32] " Miklos Szeredi
2009-05-19 10:29   ` Jan Blunck
2009-05-19 10:35     ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-05-19 10:39       ` Jan Blunck
2009-05-19 11:54         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-19 12:15           ` Jan Blunck [this message]
2009-05-19 12:21             ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-05-19 13:10               ` Jan Blunck
2009-05-19 17:23   ` Valerie Aurora
2009-05-20  9:05     ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-06-08 19:44       ` Valerie Aurora
2009-06-16 15:19         ` Miklos Szeredi
2009-05-21 12:54 ` Jan Rekorajski
2009-06-08 19:57   ` Valerie Aurora
2009-06-08 22:44     ` Jan Rekorajski
2009-06-08 22:48       ` Valerie Aurora
2009-06-15  9:55         ` Jan Rekorajski
2009-06-18  3:23           ` Valerie Aurora
2009-06-04 11:38 ` Scott James Remnant
2009-06-09 22:15   ` Valerie Aurora

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