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From: Till Smejkal <till.smejkal@googlemail.com>
To: Vineet Gupta <Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 10/13] mm: Introduce first class virtual address spaces
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:34:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170314023427.3p4a5qxtl5eh5epi@arch-dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cd1adda8-bf6a-47ad-bff3-5bc6626ac100@synopsys.com>

Hi Vineet,

On Mon, 13 Mar 2017, Vineet Gupta wrote:
> I've not looked at the patches closely (or read the references paper fully yet),
> but at first glance it seems on ARC architecture, we can can potentially
> use/leverage this mechanism to implement the shared TLB entries. Before anyone
> shouts these are not same as the IA64/x86 protection keys which allow TLB entries
> with different protection bits across processes etc. These TLB entries are
> actually *shared* by processes.
> 
> Conceptually there's shared address spaces, independent of processes. e.g. ldso
> code is shared address space #1, libc (code) #2 .... System can support a limited
> number of shared addr spaces (say 64, enough for typical embedded sys).
> 
> While Normal TLB entries are tagged with ASID (Addr space ID) to keep them unique
> across processes, Shared TLB entries are tagged with Shared address space ID.
> 
> A process MMU context consists of ASID (a single number) and a SASID bitmap (to
> allow "subscription" to multiple Shared spaces. The subscriptions are set up bu
> userspace ld.so which knows about the libs process wants to map.
> 
> The restriction ofcourse is that the spaces are mapped at *same* vaddr is all
> participating processes. I know this goes against whole security, address space
> randomization - but it gives much better real time performance. Why does each
> process need to take a MMU exception for libc code...
> 
> So long story short - it seems there can be multiple uses of this infrastructure !

During the development of this code, we also looked at shared TLB entries, but
the other way around. We wanted to use them to prevent flushing of TLB entries of
shared memory regions when switching between multiple ASes. Unfortunately, we never
finished this part of the code.

However, we also investigated into a different use-case for first class virtual
address spaces that is related to what you propose if I didn't understand something
wrong. The idea is to move shared libraries into their own first class virtual
address space and only load some small trampoline code in the application AS. This
trampoline code performs the VAS switch in the libraries AS and execute the requested
function there. If we combine this architecture with tagged TLB entries to prevent
TLB flushes during the switch operation, it can also reach an acceptable performance.
A side effect of moving the shared library into its own AS is that it can not be used
by ROP-attacks because it is not accessible in the application's AS.

Till

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-14  2:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-13 22:14 [RFC PATCH 00/13] Introduce first class virtual address spaces Till Smejkal
2017-03-13 22:14 ` [RFC PATCH 01/13] mm: Add mm_struct argument to 'mmap_region' Till Smejkal
2017-03-13 22:14 ` [RFC PATCH 02/13] mm: Add mm_struct argument to 'do_mmap' and 'do_mmap_pgoff' Till Smejkal
2017-03-13 22:14 ` [RFC PATCH 03/13] mm: Rename 'unmap_region' and add mm_struct argument Till Smejkal
2017-03-13 22:14 ` [RFC PATCH 04/13] mm: Add mm_struct argument to 'get_unmapped_area' and 'vm_unmapped_area' Till Smejkal
2017-03-13 22:14 ` [RFC PATCH 05/13] mm: Add mm_struct argument to 'mm_populate' and '__mm_populate' Till Smejkal
2017-03-13 22:14 ` [RFC PATCH 06/13] mm/mmap: Export 'vma_link' and 'find_vma_links' to mm subsystem Till Smejkal
2017-03-13 22:14 ` [RFC PATCH 07/13] kernel/fork: Split and export 'mm_alloc' and 'mm_init' Till Smejkal
2017-03-14 10:18   ` David Laight
2017-03-14 16:18     ` Till Smejkal
2017-03-13 22:14 ` [RFC PATCH 08/13] kernel/fork: Define explicitly which mm_struct to duplicate during fork Till Smejkal
2017-03-13 22:14 ` [RFC PATCH 09/13] mm/memory: Add function to one-to-one duplicate page ranges Till Smejkal
2017-03-13 22:14 ` [RFC PATCH 10/13] mm: Introduce first class virtual address spaces Till Smejkal
2017-03-13 23:52   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2017-03-14  0:24     ` Till Smejkal
2017-03-14  1:35   ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-14  2:34     ` Till Smejkal [this message]
2017-03-13 22:14 ` [RFC PATCH 11/13] mm/vas: Introduce VAS segments - shareable address space regions Till Smejkal
2017-03-13 22:27   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-03-13 22:45     ` Till Smejkal
2017-03-13 22:14 ` [RFC PATCH 12/13] mm/vas: Add lazy-attach support for first class virtual address spaces Till Smejkal
2017-03-13 22:14 ` [RFC PATCH 13/13] fs/proc: Add procfs " Till Smejkal
2017-03-14  0:18 ` [RFC PATCH 00/13] Introduce " Richard Henderson
2017-03-14  0:39   ` Till Smejkal
2017-03-14  1:02     ` Richard Henderson
2017-03-14  1:31       ` Till Smejkal
2017-03-14  0:58 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-14  2:07   ` Till Smejkal
2017-03-14  5:37     ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-14 16:12       ` Till Smejkal
2017-03-14 19:53         ` Chris Metcalf
2017-03-14 21:14           ` Till Smejkal
2017-03-15 16:51         ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-15 16:57           ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-03-15 19:44           ` Till Smejkal
2017-03-15 19:47             ` Rich Felker
2017-03-15 21:30               ` Till Smejkal
2017-03-15 20:06             ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-15 22:02               ` Till Smejkal
2017-03-15 22:09                 ` Luck, Tony
2017-03-15 23:18                   ` Till Smejkal
2017-03-16  8:21                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-03-16 17:29                   ` Till Smejkal
2017-03-16 17:42                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-03-16 17:50                       ` Till Smejkal

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