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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Boaz Harrosh <boazh@netapp.com>
Cc: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Matthew Wilcox <mawilcox@microsoft.com>,
	Amit Golander <Amit.Golander@netapp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm: Add new vma flag VM_LOCAL_CPU
Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 06:50:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180515135056.GG31599@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <afe2c02f-3ecd-5f54-53ab-d45c11a5b4aa@netapp.com>

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 04:29:22PM +0300, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
> On 15/05/18 15:03, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > You're getting dangerously close to admitting that the entire point
> > of this exercise is so that you can link non-GPL NetApp code into the
> > kernel in clear violation of the GPL.
> 
> It is not that at all. What I'm trying to do is enable a zero-copy,
> synchronous, low latency, low overhead. highly parallel - a new modern
> interface with application servers.

... and fully buzzword compliant.

> You yourself had such a project that could easily be served out-of-the-box
> with zufs, of a device that wanted to sit in user-mode.

For a very different reason.  I think the source code to that project
is publically available; the problem is that it's not written in C.

> Sometimes it is very convenient and needed for Servers to sit in
> user-mode. And this interface allows that. And it is not always
> a licensing thing. Though yes licensing is also an issue sometimes.
> It is the reality we are living in.
> 
> But please indulge me I am curious how the point of signing /sbin/
> servers, made you think about GPL licensing issues?
> 
> That said, is your point that as long as user-mode servers are sloooowwww
> they are OK to be supported but if they are as fast as the kernel,
> (as demonstrated a zufs based FS was faster then xfs-dax on same pmem)
> Then it is a GPL violation?

No.  Read what Linus wrote:

   NOTE! This copyright does *not* cover user programs that use kernel
 services by normal system calls - this is merely considered normal use
 of the kernel, and does *not* fall under the heading of "derived work".

What you're doing is far beyond that exception.  You're developing in
concert a userspace and kernel component, and claiming that the GPL does
not apply to the userspace component.  I'm not a lawyer, but you're on
very thin ice.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-15 13:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-14 17:28 [PATCH] mm: Add new vma flag VM_LOCAL_CPU Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-14 18:26 ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15  7:08   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-05-15 10:45     ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-14 19:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-14 19:37   ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15  0:41     ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-15 10:43       ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 11:11         ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-15 11:41           ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 12:03             ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-15 13:29               ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 13:50                 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2018-05-15 14:10                   ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 14:18                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-15 14:30                       ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 12:09             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-15 12:31               ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 11:47         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-15 12:01           ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 12:07         ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-15 12:35           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-15 13:19           ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-18 14:14         ` Christopher Lameter
2018-05-22 16:05           ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-22 16:18             ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-22 16:46               ` Christopher Lameter
2018-05-22 16:56                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-22 17:03                 ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-22 17:35                   ` Christopher Lameter
2018-05-22 17:51                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-23 17:30                     ` Dave Hansen
2018-05-23 17:46                       ` Nadav Amit
2018-05-23 18:10             ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-14 21:49 ` Andrew Morton
2018-05-15  0:44   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-05-15 11:54     ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 13:24       ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 14:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-15 14:36         ` Boaz Harrosh
2018-05-15 14:19 ` Dave Hansen

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