From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
"Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 36/38] vfs: Add a sample program for the new mount API [ver #10]
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:33:43 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180731133343.GI30522@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180731122801.GA14972@amd>
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 02:28:01PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > Your proposal means that userspace needs to detect "%s file", determine
> > if the corresponding string consists of ^[0-9]*$, then parse the string
> > to figure out which of the plik* words is the correct one to use.
>
> Have you actually used computer set in slavic language?
I have.
> Receiving "5
> soubor(u) zkopirovano" is still preferable to message in english.
*snort*
How about "5 pilník(u)"? And yes, I've seen an equivalent "translation"
to Russian ("этот вызов возвращает рукоятку напильника"[1]). For real.
Granted, they tend to recognize that one these days, but if I ever
get too optimistic about i18n... hopes, all I need to do is to run
with LANG=ru_RU.UTF8 for an hour or so and those delusions will go
away.
_Very_ often the best strategy of figuring out WTF does a completely inane
message mean is to try and guess what English sentence could've been
mistranslated that way. And that's relatively benign case - much worse
is when message *does* make sense, but has critically different meaning.
I don't know about .cz translation quality, but .ru translations tend to be
atrocious. And even when they are not wrong... they are clumsy - wrong
word order, unnatural syntax in general, unidiomatic constructs all over
the place... BTW, slavic is not the worst in that respect - there the
wrong word order will usually just fuck the flow, but for something with
*fixed* word order you'll get worse than distraction for readers.
Sure, you can use the things like %2$s in translated formats, but
seeing how brittle and rife with limitations that is... maintaining such
translations is going to be paiful as hell.
[1] amusingly enough, it _is_ a cognate of "file" - just the wrong omonym
used. Not that cognate of the right omonym would've been any better ("žíla"
for Lat. "filum", which gave Eng. "file" by way of 'sheaf of documents strung
together')
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-07-31 15:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-07-27 17:31 [PATCH 00/38] VFS: Introduce filesystem context [ver #10] David Howells
2018-07-27 17:31 ` [PATCH 01/38] vfs: syscall: Add open_tree(2) to reference or clone a mount " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:31 ` [PATCH 02/38] vfs: syscall: Add move_mount(2) to move mounts around " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:31 ` [PATCH 03/38] teach move_mount(2) to work with OPEN_TREE_CLONE " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:31 ` [PATCH 04/38] vfs: Suppress MS_* flag defs within the kernel unless explicitly enabled " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:31 ` [PATCH 05/38] vfs: Introduce the basic header for the new mount API's filesystem context " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 06/38] vfs: Introduce logging functions " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 07/38] vfs: Add configuration parser helpers " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 08/38] vfs: Add LSM hooks for the new mount API " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 09/38] selinux: Implement the new mount API LSM hooks " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 10/38] smack: Implement filesystem context security " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 11/38] apparmor: Implement security hooks for the new mount API " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 12/38] vfs: Pass key and value into LSM and FS and provide a helper parser " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 13/38] tomoyo: Implement security hooks for the new mount API " David Howells
2018-07-28 2:29 ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-07-30 10:49 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 17:32 ` [PATCH 14/38] vfs: Separate changing mount flags full remount " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 15/38] vfs: Implement a filesystem superblock creation/configuration context " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 16/38] vfs: Remove unused code after filesystem context changes " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 17/38] procfs: Move proc_fill_super() to fs/proc/root.c " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 18/38] proc: Add fs_context support to procfs " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 19/38] ipc: Convert mqueue fs to fs_context " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 20/38] cpuset: Use " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 21/38] kernfs, sysfs, cgroup, intel_rdt: Support " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 22/38] hugetlbfs: Convert to " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:33 ` [PATCH 23/38] vfs: Remove kern_mount_data() " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 24/38] vfs: Provide documentation for new mount API " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 25/38] Make anon_inodes unconditional " David Howells
2018-07-27 20:04 ` Randy Dunlap
2018-07-30 10:52 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 26/38] vfs: syscall: Add fsopen() to prepare for superblock creation " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 27/38] vfs: Implement logging through fs_context " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 28/38] vfs: Add some logging to the core users of the fs_context log " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 29/38] vfs: syscall: Add fsconfig() for configuring and managing a context " David Howells
2018-07-27 19:42 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-27 21:51 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 21:57 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-27 22:27 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 22:32 ` Jann Horn
2018-07-29 8:50 ` David Howells
2018-07-29 11:14 ` Jann Horn
2018-07-30 12:32 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 30/38] vfs: syscall: Add fsmount() to create a mount for a superblock " David Howells
2018-07-27 19:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-27 19:43 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-27 22:09 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 22:06 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 31/38] vfs: syscall: Add fspick() to select a superblock for reconfiguration " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:34 ` [PATCH 32/38] afs: Add fs_context support " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:35 ` [PATCH 33/38] afs: Use fs_context to pass parameters over automount " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:35 ` [PATCH 34/38] vfs: syscall: Add fsinfo() to query filesystem information " David Howells
2018-07-27 19:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-07-27 22:12 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 23:14 ` Jann Horn
2018-07-27 23:49 ` David Howells
2018-07-28 0:14 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2018-07-27 23:51 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 23:58 ` Jann Horn
2018-07-28 0:08 ` David Howells
2018-07-30 14:48 ` David Howells
2018-07-31 4:16 ` Al Viro
2018-07-31 12:39 ` David Howells
2018-07-31 13:20 ` David Howells
2018-07-31 23:49 ` Darrick J. Wong
2018-08-01 1:07 ` David Howells
2018-07-27 17:35 ` [PATCH 35/38] afs: Add fsinfo support " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:35 ` [PATCH 36/38] vfs: Add a sample program for the new mount API " David Howells
2018-07-29 11:37 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-30 12:23 ` David Howells
2018-07-30 14:31 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-30 18:08 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-07-30 18:16 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-30 18:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-30 18:38 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-07-30 18:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-30 19:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-07-30 21:02 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-07-30 21:23 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-30 23:58 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-07-31 0:58 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-07-31 9:40 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-31 10:11 ` David Howells
2018-07-31 11:34 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-31 12:07 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-07-31 12:28 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-31 13:33 ` Al Viro [this message]
2018-07-31 13:00 ` David Howells
2018-07-31 19:39 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-31 21:00 ` David Howells
2018-07-31 21:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-31 21:38 ` David Howells
2018-07-30 20:47 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-30 15:33 ` David Howells
2018-07-30 17:30 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-30 17:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-07-30 18:16 ` Pavel Machek
2018-07-27 17:35 ` [PATCH 37/38] vfs: Allow fsinfo() to query what's in an fs_context " David Howells
2018-07-27 17:35 ` [PATCH 38/38] vfs: Allow fsinfo() to be used to query an fs parameter description " David Howells
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