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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.com>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Martin Wilck <mwilck@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] locks: avoid thundering-herd wake-ups
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 17:28:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180808212832.GF23873@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180808200912.GE23873@fieldses.org>

On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 04:09:12PM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 03:54:45PM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 08, 2018 at 11:51:07AM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> > > If you have a many-core machine, and have many threads all wanting to
> > > briefly lock a give file (udev is known to do this), you can get quite
> > > poor performance.
> > > 
> > > When one thread releases a lock, it wakes up all other threads that
> > > are waiting (classic thundering-herd) - one will get the lock and the
> > > others go to sleep.
> > > When you have few cores, this is not very noticeable: by the time the
> > > 4th or 5th thread gets enough CPU time to try to claim the lock, the
> > > earlier threads have claimed it, done what was needed, and released.
> > > With 50+ cores, the contention can easily be measured.
> > > 
> > > This patchset creates a tree of pending lock request in which siblings
> > > don't conflict and each lock request does conflict with its parent.
> > > When a lock is released, only requests which don't conflict with each
> > > other a woken.
> > 
> > Are you sure you aren't depending on the (incorrect) assumption that "X
> > blocks Y" is a transitive relation?
> > 
> > OK I should be able to answer that question myself, my patience for
> > code-reading is at a real low this afternoon....
> 
> In other words, is there the possibility of a tree of, say, exclusive
> locks with (offset, length) like:
> 
> 	(0, 2) waiting on (1, 2) waiting on (2, 2) waiting on (0, 4)
> 
> and when waking (0, 4) you could wake up (2, 2) but not (0, 2), leaving
> a process waiting without there being an actual conflict.

After batting it back and forth with Jeff on IRC....  So do I understand
right that when we wake a waiter, we leave its own tree of waiters
intact, and when it wakes if it finds a conflict it just adds it lock
(with tree of waiters) in to the tree of the conflicting lock?

If so then yes I think that depends on the transitivity
assumption--you're assuming that finding a conflict between the root of
the tree and a lock proves that all the other members of the tree also
conflict.

So maybe this example works.  (All locks are exclusive and written
(offset, length), X->Y means X is waiting on Y.)

	process acquires (0,3)
	2nd process requests (1,2), is put to sleep.
	3rd process requests (0,2), is put to sleep.

	The tree of waiters now looks like (0,2)->(1,2)->(0,3)

	(0,3) is unlocked.
	A 4th process races in and locks (2,2).
	The 2nd process wakes up, sees this new conflict, and waits on
	(2,2).  Now the tree looks like (0,2)->(1,2)->(2,2), and (0,2)
	is waiting for no reason.

?

--b.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-08-08 23:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-08  1:51 [PATCH 0/4] locks: avoid thundering-herd wake-ups NeilBrown
2018-08-08  1:51 ` [PATCH 1/4] fs/locks: rename some lists and pointers NeilBrown
2018-08-08 10:47   ` Jeff Layton
2018-08-08 19:07     ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-08  1:51 ` [PATCH 3/4] fs/locks: change all *_conflict() functions to return bool NeilBrown
2018-08-08  1:51 ` [PATCH 2/4] fs/locks: allow a lock request to block other requests NeilBrown
2018-08-08  1:51 ` [PATCH 4/4] fs/locks: create a tree of dependent requests NeilBrown
2018-08-08 16:47 ` [PATCH 0/4] locks: avoid thundering-herd wake-ups Jeff Layton
2018-08-08 18:29   ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-09  0:58     ` NeilBrown
2018-08-20 11:02     ` Martin Wilck
2018-08-20 20:02       ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-20 20:06         ` Martin Wilck
2018-08-08 19:54 ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-08 20:09   ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-08 21:15     ` Frank Filz
2018-08-08 22:34       ` NeilBrown
2018-08-08 21:28     ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2018-08-08 22:39       ` NeilBrown
2018-08-08 22:50       ` Jeff Layton
2018-08-08 23:34         ` Frank Filz
2018-08-09  2:52           ` NeilBrown
2018-08-09 13:00         ` J. Bruce Fields
2018-08-09 14:49           ` Jeff Layton
2018-08-09 23:56           ` NeilBrown
2018-08-10  1:05             ` J. Bruce Fields

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