From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jan Kara Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/5] kvm "virtio pmem" device Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 11:17:57 +0100 Message-ID: <20190110101757.GC15790@quack2.suse.cz> References: <20190109144736.17452-1-pagupta@redhat.com> <20190110012617.GA4205@dastard> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org, kvm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, david-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, linux-nvdimm-y27Ovi1pjclAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org, jasowang-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, qemu-devel-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org, virtualization-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org, adilger.kernel-m1MBpc4rdrD3fQ9qLvQP4Q@public.gmane.org, zwisler-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org, eblake-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, darrick.wong-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, willy-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org, hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org, linux-acpi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-ext4-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, riel-ebMLmSuQjDVBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org, stefanha-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, imammedo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, lcapitulino-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, kwolf-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, nilal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org, tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org, xiaoguangrong.eric-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org, rjw-LthD3rsA81gm4RdzfppkhA@public.gmane.org, linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-xfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, pbonzini-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org To: Dave Chinner Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190110012617.GA4205@dastard> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: linux-nvdimm-bounces-hn68Rpc1hR1g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org Sender: "Linux-nvdimm" List-Id: linux-fsdevel.vger.kernel.org On Thu 10-01-19 12:26:17, Dave Chinner wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 08:17:31PM +0530, Pankaj Gupta wrote: > > This patch series has implementation for "virtio pmem". > > "virtio pmem" is fake persistent memory(nvdimm) in guest > > which allows to bypass the guest page cache. This also > > implements a VIRTIO based asynchronous flush mechanism. > > Hmmmm. Sharing the host page cache direct into the guest VM. Sounds > like a good idea, but..... > > This means the guest VM can now run timing attacks to observe host > side page cache residency, and depending on the implementation I'm > guessing that the guest will be able to control host side page > cache eviction, too (e.g. via discard or hole punch operations). > > Which means this functionality looks to me like a new vector for > information leakage into and out of the guest VM via guest > controlled host page cache manipulation. > > https://arxiv.org/pdf/1901.01161 > > I might be wrong, but if I'm not we're going to have to be very > careful about how guest VMs can access and manipulate host side > resources like the page cache..... Right. Thinking about this I would be more concerned about the fact that guest can effectively pin amount of host's page cache upto size of the device/file passed to guest as PMEM, can't it Pankaj? Or is there some QEMU magic that avoids this? Honza -- Jan Kara SUSE Labs, CR From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B81C43444 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 10:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD04214DA for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 10:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727968AbfAJKSC (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Jan 2019 05:18:02 -0500 Received: from mx2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:38170 "EHLO mx1.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727692AbfAJKSC (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Jan 2019 05:18:02 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at test-mx.suse.de Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.220.254]) by mx1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228AEAFF8; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 10:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by quack2.suse.cz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8087B1E1519; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 11:17:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 11:17:57 +0100 From: Jan Kara To: Dave Chinner Cc: Pankaj Gupta , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, jack@suse.cz, stefanha@redhat.com, dan.j.williams@intel.com, riel@surriel.com, nilal@redhat.com, kwolf@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com, zwisler@kernel.org, vishal.l.verma@intel.com, dave.jiang@intel.com, david@redhat.com, jmoyer@redhat.com, xiaoguangrong.eric@gmail.com, hch@infradead.org, mst@redhat.com, jasowang@redhat.com, lcapitulino@redhat.com, imammedo@redhat.com, eblake@redhat.com, willy@infradead.org, tytso@mit.edu, adilger.kernel@dilger.ca, darrick.wong@oracle.com, rjw@rjwysocki.net Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/5] kvm "virtio pmem" device Message-ID: <20190110101757.GC15790@quack2.suse.cz> References: <20190109144736.17452-1-pagupta@redhat.com> <20190110012617.GA4205@dastard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190110012617.GA4205@dastard> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org Message-ID: <20190110101757.NyBvZKW6afMZjwSX5vyC9CQHLCz2B6XrTdoXYd4dKks@z> On Thu 10-01-19 12:26:17, Dave Chinner wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2019 at 08:17:31PM +0530, Pankaj Gupta wrote: > > This patch series has implementation for "virtio pmem". > > "virtio pmem" is fake persistent memory(nvdimm) in guest > > which allows to bypass the guest page cache. This also > > implements a VIRTIO based asynchronous flush mechanism. > > Hmmmm. Sharing the host page cache direct into the guest VM. Sounds > like a good idea, but..... > > This means the guest VM can now run timing attacks to observe host > side page cache residency, and depending on the implementation I'm > guessing that the guest will be able to control host side page > cache eviction, too (e.g. via discard or hole punch operations). > > Which means this functionality looks to me like a new vector for > information leakage into and out of the guest VM via guest > controlled host page cache manipulation. > > https://arxiv.org/pdf/1901.01161 > > I might be wrong, but if I'm not we're going to have to be very > careful about how guest VMs can access and manipulate host side > resources like the page cache..... Right. Thinking about this I would be more concerned about the fact that guest can effectively pin amount of host's page cache upto size of the device/file passed to guest as PMEM, can't it Pankaj? Or is there some QEMU magic that avoids this? Honza -- Jan Kara SUSE Labs, CR