From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Jerome Glisse <jglisse@redhat.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
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"Dalessandro, Dennis" <dennis.dalessandro@intel.com>,
Doug Ledford <dledford@redhat.com>,
Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce put_user_page*(), placeholder versions
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 09:07:59 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190115080759.GC29524@quack2.suse.cz> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190115080759.SfwvbJK7uRQFzEi85ARXdTeTnrm6QNlcfURPHY25tNk@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190114172124.GA3702@redhat.com>
On Mon 14-01-19 12:21:25, Jerome Glisse wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 03:54:47PM +0100, Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Fri 11-01-19 19:06:08, John Hubbard wrote:
> > > On 1/11/19 6:46 PM, Jerome Glisse wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 06:38:44PM -0800, John Hubbard wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > >>>> The other idea that you and Dan (and maybe others) pointed out was a debug
> > > >>>> option, which we'll certainly need in order to safely convert all the call
> > > >>>> sites. (Mirror the mappings at a different kernel offset, so that put_page()
> > > >>>> and put_user_page() can verify that the right call was made.) That will be
> > > >>>> a separate patchset, as you recommended.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I'll even go as far as recommending the page lock itself. I realize that this
> > > >>>> adds overhead to gup(), but we *must* hold off page_mkclean(), and I believe
> > > >>>> that this (below) has similar overhead to the notes above--but is *much* easier
> > > >>>> to verify correct. (If the page lock is unacceptable due to being so widely used,
> > > >>>> then I'd recommend using another page bit to do the same thing.)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please page lock is pointless and it will not work for GUP fast. The above
> > > >>> scheme do work and is fine. I spend the day again thinking about all memory
> > > >>> ordering and i do not see any issues.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> Why is it that page lock cannot be used for gup fast, btw?
> > > >
> > > > Well it can not happen within the preempt disable section. But after
> > > > as a post pass before GUP_fast return and after reenabling preempt then
> > > > it is fine like it would be for regular GUP. But locking page for GUP
> > > > is also likely to slow down some workload (with direct-IO).
> > > >
> > >
> > > Right, and so to crux of the matter: taking an uncontended page lock
> > > involves pretty much the same set of operations that your approach does.
> > > (If gup ends up contended with the page lock for other reasons than these
> > > paths, that seems surprising.) I'd expect very similar performance.
> > >
> > > But the page lock approach leads to really dramatically simpler code (and
> > > code reviews, let's not forget). Any objection to my going that
> > > direction, and keeping this idea as a Plan B? I think the next step will
> > > be, once again, to gather some performance metrics, so maybe that will
> > > help us decide.
> >
> > FWIW I agree that using page lock for protecting page pinning (and thus
> > avoid races with page_mkclean()) looks simpler to me as well and I'm not
> > convinced there will be measurable difference to the more complex scheme
> > with barriers Jerome suggests unless that page lock contended. Jerome is
> > right that you cannot just do lock_page() in gup_fast() path. There you
> > have to do trylock_page() and if that fails just bail out to the slow gup
> > path.
> >
> > Regarding places other than page_mkclean() that need to check pinned state:
> > Definitely page migration will want to check whether the page is pinned or
> > not so that it can deal differently with short-term page references vs
> > longer-term pins.
> >
> > Also there is one more idea I had how to record number of pins in the page:
> >
> > #define PAGE_PIN_BIAS 1024
> >
> > get_page_pin()
> > atomic_add(&page->_refcount, PAGE_PIN_BIAS);
> >
> > put_page_pin();
> > atomic_add(&page->_refcount, -PAGE_PIN_BIAS);
> >
> > page_pinned(page)
> > (atomic_read(&page->_refcount) - page_mapcount(page)) > PAGE_PIN_BIAS
> >
> > This is pretty trivial scheme. It still gives us 22-bits for page pins
> > which should be plenty (but we should check for that and bail with error if
> > it would overflow). Also there will be no false negatives and false
> > positives only if there are more than 1024 non-page-table references to the
> > page which I expect to be rare (we might want to also subtract
> > hpage_nr_pages() for radix tree references to avoid excessive false
> > positives for huge pages although at this point I don't think they would
> > matter). Thoughts?
>
> Racing PUP are as likely to cause issues:
>
> CPU0 | CPU1 | CPU2
> | |
> | PUP() |
> page_pinned(page) | |
> (page_count(page) - | |
> page_mapcount(page)) | |
> | | GUP()
>
> So here the refcount snap-shot does not include the second GUP and
> we can have a false negative ie the page_pinned() will return false
> because of the PUP happening just before on CPU1 despite the racing
> GUP on CPU2 just after.
>
> I believe only either lock or memory ordering with barrier can
> guarantee that we do not miss GUP ie no false negative. Still the
> bias idea might be usefull as with it we should not need a flag.
Right. We need similar synchronization (i.e., page lock or careful checks
with memory barriers) if we want to get a reliable page pin information.
> So to make the above safe it would still need the page write back
> double check that i described so that GUP back-off if it raced with
> page_mkclean,clear_page_dirty_for_io and the fs write page call back
> which call test_set_page_writeback() (yes it is very unlikely but
> might still happen).
Agreed. So with page lock it would actually look like:
get_page_pin()
lock_page(page);
wait_for_stable_page();
atomic_add(&page->_refcount, PAGE_PIN_BIAS);
unlock_page(page);
And if we perform page_pinned() check under page lock, then if
page_pinned() returned false, we are sure page is not and will not be
pinned until we drop the page lock (and also until page writeback is
completed if needed).
Honza
--
Jan Kara <jack@suse.com>
SUSE Labs, CR
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2018-12-04 0:17 [PATCH 0/2] put_user_page*(): start converting the call sites john.hubbard
2018-12-04 0:17 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce put_user_page*(), placeholder versions john.hubbard
2018-12-04 7:53 ` Mike Rapoport
2018-12-05 1:40 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-04 20:28 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-04 21:56 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-04 23:03 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05 0:36 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 0:40 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05 0:59 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-05 0:58 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-05 1:00 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05 1:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-05 1:44 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-05 1:57 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-07 2:45 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-07 19:16 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-07 19:26 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-07 19:40 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08 0:52 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-08 2:24 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-10 10:28 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-12 15:03 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 16:27 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-12 17:02 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 17:49 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-12 19:07 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 21:30 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 21:40 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-12 21:53 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 22:11 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-12 22:16 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 23:37 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-12 23:46 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 23:54 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-13 0:01 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 0:18 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-13 0:44 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 3:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-13 3:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-13 12:43 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 13:40 ` Tom Talpey
2018-12-13 14:18 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 14:51 ` Tom Talpey
2018-12-13 15:18 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 18:12 ` Tom Talpey
2018-12-13 19:18 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14 10:41 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-14 15:25 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 21:56 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 22:04 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 22:11 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 22:14 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-12 22:17 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-12 21:46 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-12 21:59 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 0:51 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-13 2:02 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-13 15:56 ` Christopher Lameter
2018-12-13 16:02 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14 6:00 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-14 15:13 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14 3:52 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-14 5:21 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14 6:11 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-14 15:20 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-14 19:38 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14 19:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-14 19:53 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-14 20:03 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-14 20:17 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14 20:29 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-15 0:41 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-17 8:56 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-17 18:28 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-14 15:43 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-16 21:58 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-17 18:11 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 18:34 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 19:48 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 19:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 19:54 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 19:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 20:55 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-17 21:03 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-17 21:15 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-18 1:09 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-18 6:12 ` Darrick J. Wong
2018-12-18 9:30 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-18 23:29 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-19 2:07 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-19 11:08 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-20 10:54 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-20 16:50 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-20 16:57 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-20 16:49 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-03 1:55 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-03 3:27 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-03 14:57 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-03 9:26 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-03 14:44 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-11 2:59 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-11 2:59 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-11 16:51 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-11 16:51 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 1:04 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 1:04 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 2:02 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 2:02 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 2:38 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 2:38 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 2:46 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 2:46 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 3:06 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 3:06 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 3:25 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 3:25 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 20:46 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-12 20:46 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-14 14:54 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-14 14:54 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-14 17:21 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-14 17:21 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-14 19:09 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-14 19:09 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 8:34 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15 8:34 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15 21:39 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 21:39 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 8:07 ` Jan Kara [this message]
2019-01-15 8:07 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-15 17:15 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-15 17:15 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-15 21:56 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 21:56 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-15 22:12 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-15 22:12 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 0:44 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-16 0:44 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-16 1:56 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 1:56 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 2:01 ` Dan Williams
2019-01-16 2:01 ` Dan Williams
2019-01-16 2:23 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 2:23 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 4:34 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16 4:34 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16 14:50 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 14:50 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 22:51 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16 22:51 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-16 11:38 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-16 11:38 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-16 13:08 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-16 13:08 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17 5:42 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17 5:42 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17 15:21 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17 15:21 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-18 0:16 ` Dave Chinner
2019-01-18 1:59 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17 9:30 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-17 9:30 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-17 15:17 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-17 15:17 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-22 15:24 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-22 16:46 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-23 18:02 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-23 19:04 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-29 0:22 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-29 1:23 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-29 6:41 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-29 10:12 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-30 2:21 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17 5:25 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17 5:25 ` John Hubbard
2019-01-17 9:04 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-17 9:04 ` Jan Kara
2019-01-12 3:14 ` Jerome Glisse
2019-01-12 3:14 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-18 10:33 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-18 23:42 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-19 3:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-19 5:26 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-19 11:19 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-19 10:28 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-19 11:35 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-19 16:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-12-19 22:33 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-20 9:07 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-20 16:54 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-19 13:24 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-08 5:18 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-12 19:13 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-08 7:16 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-08 16:33 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08 16:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-08 17:47 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08 18:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-08 18:45 ` Jerome Glisse
2018-12-08 18:09 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-08 18:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-12-11 6:18 ` Dave Chinner
2018-12-05 5:52 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-05 11:16 ` Jan Kara
2018-12-04 0:17 ` [PATCH 2/2] infiniband/mm: convert put_page() to put_user_page*() john.hubbard
2018-12-04 17:10 ` [PATCH 0/2] put_user_page*(): start converting the call sites David Laight
2018-12-05 1:05 ` John Hubbard
2018-12-05 14:08 ` David Laight
2018-12-28 8:37 ` Pavel Machek
2019-02-08 7:56 [PATCH 0/2] mm: put_user_page() call site conversion first john.hubbard
2019-02-08 7:56 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce put_user_page*(), placeholder versions john.hubbard
2019-02-08 10:32 ` Mike Rapoport
2019-02-08 20:44 ` John Hubbard
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