From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
Cc: Jeremy Allison <jra@samba.org>,
Linux NFS Mailing List <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
Volker.Lendecke@sernet.de, Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
samba-technical@lists.samba.org,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Ralph Boehme <slow@samba.org>,
devel@lists.nfs-ganesha.org
Subject: Re: Better interop for NFS/SMB file share mode/reservation
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 10:17:35 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190306151735.GD2426@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxigRpjjni8nvYxCqeyTnr0Zf7Stj9h2+24_S9n4i0euYA@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Mar 06, 2019 at 09:09:21AM +0200, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 11:48 PM J. Bruce Fields <bfields@fieldses.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 04:06:52PM -0500, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> > > After this:
> > >
> > > https://marc.info/?l=linux-nfs&m=154966239918297&w=2
> > >
> > > delegations would no longer conflict with opens from the same tgid. So
> > > if your threads all run in the same process and you're willing to manage
> > > conflicts among your own clients, that should still allow you to do
> > > multiple opens of the same file without giving up your lease/delegation.
> > >
> > > I'd be curious to know whether that works with Samba's design.
> >
> > Any idea whether that would work?
> >
> > (Easy? Impossible? Possible, but realistically the changes required to
> > Samba would be painful enough that it'd be unlikely to get done?)
> >
>
> [CC Ralph Boehme]
>
> I am not a samba team member, but seems to me that your proposal
> fits samba design like a glove. With one smbd process per client connection,
> with your proposal, opens (for read) from same smbd process will not break the
> shared read lease from same client, so oplocks level II could be implemented
> using kernel oplocks (new flavor).
OK. So I wonder about Ganesha. I'm not sure, but I *think* it's like
knfsd in that it has a bunch of worker threads that can each take rpc's
from any client. I don't remember if they're actually threads or
processes.
> IOW, can someone from samba team please elaborate on this quote
> from samba wiki [1]: "Linux kernel oplocks don't provide the needed features.
> (They don't even work correctly for oplocks...) ==> SMB-only feature."
>
> [1] https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba3/SMB2#new_concepts
Yes, it'd be useful to get those details written down in one place.
> I would like to use this opportunity to ask samba team members to raise
> any (*) other pain points about missing or lacking Linux kernel interfaces.
> I promise to use my time in LSF/MM 2019 to try and promote samba
> needs among Linux filesystem developers.
I feel like this particular problem is about details of
oplock/lease/delegation semantics that will interest a small number of
people, so should mainly be handled as a hallway-track thing. But,
maybe it's good to bring it up in a session if only to make sure anyone
interested is aware.
> (*) OK, not RichACLs. I know my own limitations.
Hah.
--b.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-03-06 15:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-02-08 11:20 Better interop for NFS/SMB file share mode/reservation Amir Goldstein
2019-02-08 13:10 ` Jeff Layton
2019-02-08 14:45 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-02-08 15:50 ` J. Bruce Fields
2019-02-08 20:02 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-02-08 20:16 ` J. Bruce Fields
2019-02-08 20:31 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-02-14 20:51 ` J. Bruce Fields
2019-02-15 7:31 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-02-15 20:09 ` J. Bruce Fields
2019-02-08 22:12 ` Jeremy Allison
2019-02-09 4:04 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-02-14 21:06 ` J. Bruce Fields
2019-03-05 21:47 ` J. Bruce Fields
2019-03-06 7:09 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-03-06 15:17 ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2019-03-06 15:37 ` [NFS-Ganesha-Devel] " Frank Filz
2019-03-08 21:38 ` 'J. Bruce Fields'
2019-03-08 21:53 ` Frank Filz
2019-03-06 15:11 ` J. Bruce Fields
2019-03-06 20:31 ` Jeff Layton
2019-03-06 21:07 ` Jeremy Allison
2019-03-06 21:25 ` Ralph Böhme
2019-03-07 11:03 ` Stefan Metzmacher
2019-03-07 16:47 ` Simo
2019-04-25 18:11 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-03-06 21:55 ` Jeff Layton
2019-02-08 16:03 ` Jeff Layton
2019-02-08 16:28 ` Jeffrey Layton
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[not found] ` <e69d149c80187b84833fec369ad8a51247871f26.camel@kernel.org>
2019-04-27 20:16 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-04-28 12:09 ` Jeff Layton
2019-04-28 13:45 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-04-28 15:06 ` Trond Myklebust
2019-04-28 22:00 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-04-28 22:08 ` Trond Myklebust
2019-04-28 22:33 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-04-29 0:57 ` Trond Myklebust
2019-04-29 11:42 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-04-29 13:10 ` Trond Myklebust
2019-04-29 20:29 ` Jeff Layton
2019-04-29 22:33 ` Pavel Shilovskiy
2019-04-30 0:31 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-04-30 8:12 ` Uri Simchoni
2019-04-30 9:22 ` Amir Goldstein
2019-02-11 5:31 ` ronnie sahlberg
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