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From: Goldwyn Rodrigues <rgoldwyn@suse.de>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/15] dax: Introduce IOMAP_F_COW for copy-on-write
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 20:56:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190403015631.eogm76qw5fwo235p@merlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190401230653.GT23020@dastard>

On 10:06 02/04, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 04:41:02PM -0500, Goldwyn Rodrigues wrote:
> > On 15:38 01/04, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 02:02:50PM -0500, Goldwyn Rodrigues wrote:
> > > > From: Goldwyn Rodrigues <rgoldwyn@suse.com>
> > > > 
> > > > The IOMAP_F_COW is a flag to notify dax that it needs to copy
> > > > the data from iomap->cow_addr to iomap->addr, if the start/end
> > > > of I/O are not page aligned.
> > > 
> > > I see what you are trying to do here, but this is kinda gross.
> > > 
> > > > This also introduces dax_to_dax_copy() which performs a copy
> > > > from one part of the device to another, to a maximum of one page.
> > > > 
> > > > Question: Using iomap.cow_addr == 0 means the CoW is to be copied
> > > > (or memset) from a hole. Would this be better handled through a flag?
> > > 
> > > That's what all these checks in the iomap code do:
> > > 
> > 
> > This is using iomap->flags not type.
> 
> Yes, I know. The fact that you tell me this (when it was obvious)
> indicates to me that you didn't understand what I was saying.
> 
> i.e. the gross hack here is that this patch is trying to define a
> new iomap type - both behaviourally and iomap content - via adding
> a modifier flag rather than defining a new iomap->type. That's the
> gross hack, and everything stems from that.
> 
> i.e. the "bloating" of the struct iomap is caused because the flag
> modifier (IOMAP_F_COW) can't use parts of the iomap that are defined
> for specific iomap types. e.g. IOMAP_INLINE type uses ->inline_data,
> and so it can't be re-used by a iomap flag modifier such as
> IOMAP_F_COW.
> 
> However, if we define a new type for this "need multiple mappings"
> iomap rather than a flag, we don't need any new fields in the struct
> iomap because we can use what already exists in the iomap.
> 
> > > 	if (iomap->type == IOMAP_HOLE || iomap->type == IOMAP_UNWRITTEN)
> > > 
> > > Oh, wait, you're trying to map two ranges in a single iomap and then
> > > infer state from information that got chucked away.... IOWs, you're
> > > doing it wrong - iomap algorithms are driven by how we manipulate
> > > iomaps to do data operations efficiently, not how we copy data page
> > > by page.
> > > 
> > > IOWs, what we really should have here is two iomaps - a source
> > > and a destination iomap. The source is a read mapping of the
> > > current address (where we are going to copy the data from), the
> > > destination is the post-cow allocation mapping (where the data
> > > goes).
> > > 
> > > Now you just copy the data from one map to the other iterating
> > > source mappings until the necessary range of the destination has
> > > been covered.  And you can check if the source map is IOMAP_HOLE or
> > > IOMAP_UNWRITTEN and hence optimise the copy (i.e. zero the new
> > > allocation) before copying in the new data.
> > 
> > Won't that be inefficient? With CoW we only need to write the first
> > and last block.
> 
> You're assuming that partial data overwrites are the only case where
> this dax-to-dax copy of a file range is required. That assumption is
> false.
> 
> i.e. FALLOC_FL_UNSHARE_RANGE for DAX requires iterating over the
> entire source range and copying all the contents to the newly
> allocated destination range.  The partial block copying is just a
> short version of this limited to a single block.
> 
> Sure, btrfs doesn't support FALLOC_FL_UNSHARE_RANGE, but if you're
> going to be adding support for reflink to DAX, the infrastructure
> needs to provide support for performing FALLOC_FL_UNSHARE_RANGE
> to break extent sharing efficiently.
> 
> > Again, that is not required if the offset/end
> > offset is block aligned. After that, it falls back to the
> > regular write path of performing dax_copy_to_iter().
> > We don't deal with IOMAP_UNWRITTEN in dax,
> 
> Yes we do. fallocate() can lay down unwritten extents, and we can
> both read and write to them. See, for example, dax_iomap_actor()
> called from dax_iomap_rw() via iomap_apply() - it does not call
> dax_copy_to_iter() for reads if the range is IOMAP_HOLE or
> IOMAP_UNWRITTEN.
> 
> > though other
> > filesystems in the future may use CoW without dax.
> 
> That makes no sense. :/
> 
> > Besides, what you are suggesting will not fit well with the
> > current iomap iterator code and would require another function
> > altogether.
> 
> I'm not concerned about that - I would much prefer we do things
> cleanly and properly rather than make expedient hacks for
> questionable benefit that we'll have to completely rework or remove
> the moment we implement DAX+reflink support in XFS.
> 
> > After Darrick's suggestion, we can even do away with cow_pos, so
> > only the read address of cow_addr will exist.
> 
> As I mentioned earlier, even that is not necessary.
> 
> This is DAX - the iomap API and mapping functions can already return
> pointers to inline data, and DAX can effectively be considered
> inline data for the purposes of reading data.
> 
> As I said, the problem here is you are trying to use flags to define
> a new type of iomap operation requires two mappings rather than one.
> IMO, we should be defining an IOMAP_DAX_COW /type/ and then define
> it to contain and behave as follows:
> 
> 	- new destination region for data to be copied into is the
> 	  same setup as IOMAP_MAPPED
> 	- existing shared data that may be needed for reading is
> 	  mapped direct to device address by ->iomap_begin into
> 	  iomap->inline_data
> 	- if the iomap infrastructure needs to copy original source
> 	  data into destination, it copies directly from the memory
> 	  address in iomap->inline_data into the directly mapped DAX
> 	  desitination via memcpy().
> 
> This covers both the partial write COW case you are concerned with
> here, and the full-extent range copy case that
> FALLOC_FL_UNSHARE_RANGE requires.
> 

Ok, understood. However, we may have to differentiate between a CoW
with FALLOC_FL_UNSHARE_RANGE because CoW will only (conditionally)
copy the first and the last block wheras FALLOC_FL_UNSHARE_RANGE
will copy the whole range. So, should it be another type?

Also, this would require iomap_begin to translate block->dax address
which I suppose can be a function in the dax code.


-- 
Goldwyn

  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-03  1:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20190326190301.32365-1-rgoldwyn@suse.de>
2019-03-26 19:02 ` [PATCH 01/15] btrfs: create a mount option for dax Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-26 19:10   ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-03-27 11:00     ` Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-27 12:00       ` Matthew Wilcox
2019-03-27 12:26         ` Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-27 23:31         ` Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-27 17:38     ` Adam Borowski
2019-03-28 14:49   ` David Sterba
2019-03-28 17:28   ` David Sterba
2019-03-28 17:57     ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-04-01 20:43     ` Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-26 19:02 ` [PATCH 02/15] btrfs: Carve out btrfs_get_extent_map_write() out of btrfs_get_blocks_write() Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-26 19:02 ` [PATCH 03/15] btrfs: basic dax read Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-26 19:02 ` [PATCH 04/15] dax: Introduce IOMAP_F_COW for copy-on-write Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-27 17:54   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-03-27 18:58     ` Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-28 14:45       ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-04-01  4:38   ` Dave Chinner
2019-04-01 21:41     ` Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-04-01 23:06       ` Dave Chinner
2019-04-03  1:56         ` Goldwyn Rodrigues [this message]
2019-04-03  3:20           ` Dave Chinner
2019-04-07  7:26     ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-03-26 19:02 ` [PATCH 05/15] btrfs: return whether extent is nocow or not Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-31 18:42   ` Nikolay Borisov
2019-03-26 19:02 ` [PATCH 06/15] btrfs: Rename __endio_write_update_ordered() to btrfs_update_ordered_extent() Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-26 19:02 ` [PATCH 07/15] btrfs: add dax write support Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-28 14:53   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-04-01 20:39     ` Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-26 19:02 ` [PATCH 08/15] dax: add dax_iomap_cow to copy a mmap page before writing Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-28 15:41   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-03-26 19:02 ` [PATCH 09/15] btrfs: add dax mmap support Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-28 15:45   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-03-26 19:02 ` [PATCH 10/15] btrfs: Add dax specific address_space_operations Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-26 19:02 ` [PATCH 11/15] fs: dedup file range to use a compare function Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-28 17:04   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-04-01 20:36     ` Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-26 19:02 ` [PATCH 12/15] btrfs: trace functions for btrfs_iomap_begin/end Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-26 19:02 ` [PATCH 13/15] btrfs: handle dax page zeroing Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-26 19:03 ` [PATCH 14/15] btrfs: Disable dax-based defrag and send Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-26 19:03 ` [PATCH 15/15] btrfs: Writeprotect mmap pages on snapshot Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-28 15:48   ` Darrick J. Wong
2019-03-26 19:09 ` [PATCH v2 00/15] btrfs dax support Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-27 20:14   ` Adam Borowski
2019-03-27 23:26     ` Goldwyn Rodrigues
2019-03-28 10:24       ` [PATCH] btrfs: allow MAP_SYNC mmap Adam Borowski
2019-03-28 10:42         ` Adam Borowski
2019-04-01 20:08         ` Goldwyn Rodrigues

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