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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Kirill Smelkov <kirr@nexedi.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] vfs: pass ppos=NULL to .read()/.write() of FMODE_STREAM files
Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 18:38:36 +0100
Message-ID: <20190413173836.GO2217@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wg6Pn4M+7awA5WrHv2vVc5iLRL29ueG-NSwOCAyVT-OYQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 10:27:00AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> And I'd really like to have people (Al?) look at this and go "yeah,
> makes sense". I do think that moving to a model where we wither have a
> (properly locked) file position or no pos pointer at all is the right
> model (ie I'd really like to get rid of the mixed case), but there
> might be some practical problem that makes it impractical.
>
> Because the *real* problem with the mixed case is not "insane people
> who do bad things might get odd results". No, the real problem with
> the mixed case is that it could be a security issue (ie: one process
> intentionally changes the file position just as another process is
> going a 'read' and then avoids some limit test because the limit test
> was done using the old 'pos' value but the actual IO was done using
> the new one).
> 
> So I suspect that we will have to either
> 
>  - get rid of the mixed case entirely (and do only properly locked
> f_pos accesses or pass is a NULL f_pos)

Good luck.  Character devices
	get no exclusion
	often do use position
	are many
	might be buried behind several layers of indirection
	... and often left unmaintained for a decade or two

IOW, I don't see how you'd go about eliminating the mixed case...

  reply index

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-03-26 22:20 [PATCH 1/3] fs: stream_open - opener for stream-like files so that read and write can run simultaneously without deadlock Kirill Smelkov
2019-03-26 23:22 ` [PATCH 3/3] fuse: Add FOPEN_STREAM and use stream_open() if filesystem returned that from open handler Kirill Smelkov
2019-04-24  7:13   ` [RESEND, PATCH " Kirill Smelkov
     [not found]     ` <20190424160611.2A71321900@mail.kernel.org>
2019-04-24 19:16       ` Kirill Smelkov
     [not found] ` <8794193f3040b798010970228d978c05ad56ec52.1553637462.git.kirr@nexedi.com>
2019-03-27  6:54   ` [PATCH 2/3] *: convert stream-like files from nonseekable_open -> stream_open Lubomir Rintel
2019-03-27 16:58 ` [PATCH 1/3] fs: stream_open - opener for stream-like files so that read and write can run simultaneously without deadlock Juergen Gross
2019-04-06 17:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-07 20:04   ` Kirill Smelkov
2019-04-08  0:09     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-14  7:11       ` Kirill Smelkov
     [not found] ` <4c4651e2-167e-bfcc-7b3e-cda118f98a69@rasmusvillemoes.dk>
     [not found]   ` <20190409203807.GA13855@deco.navytux.spb.ru>
     [not found]     ` <d8c23d05-8810-13a2-cc50-7a47ff35e90b@rasmusvillemoes.dk>
2019-04-11 12:38       ` Kirill Smelkov
2019-04-11 16:22         ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-12 12:42           ` Kirill Smelkov
2019-04-13 16:54             ` Kirill Smelkov
2019-04-13 16:54               ` [PATCH 1/2] vfs: pass ppos=NULL to .read()/.write() of FMODE_STREAM files Kirill Smelkov
2019-04-13 17:27                 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-13 17:38                   ` Al Viro [this message]
2019-04-13 18:44                   ` Kirill Smelkov
2019-04-13 16:55               ` [PATCH 2/2] vfs: use &file->f_pos directly on files that have position Kirill Smelkov

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