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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Linux List Kernel Mailing <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Do we need to correct barriering in circular-buffers.rst?
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:49:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190923144931.GC2369@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5385.1568901546@warthog.procyon.org.uk>

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 02:59:06PM +0100, David Howells wrote:

> But I don't agree with this.  You're missing half the barriers.  There should
> be *four* barriers.  The document mandates only 3 barriers, and uses
> READ_ONCE() where the fourth should be, i.e.:
> 
>    thread #1            thread #2
> 
>                         smp_load_acquire(head)
>                         ... read data from queue ..
>                         smp_store_release(tail)
> 
>    READ_ONCE(tail)
>    ... add data to queue ..
>    smp_store_release(head)
> 

Notably your READ_ONCE() pseudo code is lacking a conditional;
kernel/events/ring_buffer.c writes it like so:

 *   kernel                             user
 *
 *   if (LOAD ->data_tail) {            LOAD ->data_head
 *                      (A)             smp_rmb()       (C)
 *      STORE $data                     LOAD $data
 *      smp_wmb()       (B)             smp_mb()        (D)
 *      STORE ->data_head               STORE ->data_tail
 *   }
 *
 * Where A pairs with D, and B pairs with C.
 *
 * In our case (A) is a control dependency that separates the load of
 * the ->data_tail and the stores of $data. In case ->data_tail
 * indicates there is no room in the buffer to store $data we do not.
 *
 * D needs to be a full barrier since it separates the data READ
 * from the tail WRITE.
 *
 * For B a WMB is sufficient since it separates two WRITEs, and for C
 * an RMB is sufficient since it separates two READs.

Where 'kernel' is the producer and 'user' is the consumer. This was
written before load-acquire and store-release came about (I _think_),
and I've so far resisted updating B to store-release because smp_wmb()
is actually cheaper than store-release on a number of architectures
(notably ARM).

C ought to be a load-aquire, and D really should be a store-release, but
I don't think the perf userspace has that (or uses C11).

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-09-23 14:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-13 13:00 [RFC][PATCH] pipe: Convert ring to head/tail David Howells
2019-09-13 13:06 ` My just-shovel-data-through-for-X-amount-of-time test David Howells
2019-09-15 14:59 ` [RFC][PATCH] pipe: Convert ring to head/tail Will Deacon
2019-09-17 13:51 ` David Howells
2019-09-17 17:07   ` Will Deacon
2019-09-18 15:43   ` Do we need to correct barriering in circular-buffers.rst? David Howells
2019-09-18 16:48     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-19 13:59     ` David Howells
2019-09-19 15:59       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-23 14:49       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2019-09-27  9:51         ` Andrea Parri
2019-09-27 12:49           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-27 15:57             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-27 20:43             ` Nick Desaulniers
2019-09-27 21:58               ` Nick Desaulniers
2019-09-30  9:33               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-30 11:54                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-30 12:02                   ` Peter Zijlstra

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