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From: "Pali Rohár" <pali.rohar@gmail.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Namjae Jeon <linkinjeon@gmail.com>,
	Namjae Jeon <namjae.jeon@samsung.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux FS-devel Mailing List <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	gregkh <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Valdis Kletnieks <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu>,
	sj1557.seo@samsung.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 09/14] exfat: add misc operations
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 17:00:51 +0100
Message-ID: <20200116160051.adn7j7y5oshoe7qt@pali> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200116102307.GA16662@lst.de>

On Thursday 16 January 2020 11:23:07 Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:19:47AM +0100, Pali Rohár wrote:
> >   However, implementations should only record the value 00h for this
> >   field when:
> > 
> >     1. Local date and time are actually the same as UTC, in which case
> >        the value of the OffsetValid field shall be 1
> > 
> >     2. Local date and time are not known, in which case the value of the
> >        OffsetValid field shall be 1 and implementations shall consider
> >        UTC to be local date and time
> 
> Given time zones in Linux are per session I think our situation is
> somewhat similar to 2.

Seems that 2. is really similar. Ok, storing by default in UTC make
sense, but still I'm thinking if there should be (or not) a mount option
which override default UTC timezone.

> > > Here I would just convert to UTC, which is what we store in the
> > > in-memory struct inode anyway.
> > 
> > Ok. If inode timestamp is always in UTC, we should do same thing also
> > for exFAT.
> 
> > Hm... both UTC and sys_tz have positives and negatives. And I'm not
> > sure which option is better.
> 
> The one big argument for always UTC is simplicity.  Always using UTC
> kills some arcane an unusual (for Linux file systems) code, and given
> how exfat implementations deal with the time zone on reading should
> always interoperate fine with other implementations.

Now I think that using UTC by default is the better option as sys_tz.
Simplicity and "no surprise" (container may use UTC, but kernel has
sys_tz in not in UTC) seems like a good arguments.

-- 
Pali Rohár
pali.rohar@gmail.com

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Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CGME20200115082818epcas1p4892a99345626188afd111ee263132458@epcas1p4.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24 ` [PATCH v10 00/14] add the latest exfat driver Namjae Jeon
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200115082819epcas1p3303009557f8bf670b47991530f380ef7@epcas1p3.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24     ` [PATCH v10 01/14] exfat: add in-memory and on-disk structures and headers Namjae Jeon
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200115082819epcas1p3825d5bed592a8378ad26254d07d59b18@epcas1p3.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24     ` [PATCH v10 02/14] exfat: add super block operations Namjae Jeon
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200115082820epcas1p34ebebebaf610fd61c4e9882fca8ddbd5@epcas1p3.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24     ` [PATCH v10 03/14] exfat: add inode operations Namjae Jeon
2020-01-15 10:25       ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-01-15 13:39         ` Namjae Jeon
2020-01-17  9:25       ` Pali Rohár
2020-01-17 11:17       ` Pali Rohár
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200115082821epcas1p3db1f70cf53185c40934c3a754c65e648@epcas1p3.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24     ` [PATCH v10 04/14] exfat: add directory operations Namjae Jeon
2020-01-17 11:13       ` Pali Rohár
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200115082821epcas1p4d76d8668dfac70ae3e3889d4ccb6c3ee@epcas1p4.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24     ` [PATCH v10 05/14] exfat: add file operations Namjae Jeon
2020-01-15  9:56       ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-01-15 13:07         ` Namjae Jeon
2020-01-17  9:18       ` Pali Rohár
2020-01-17 12:12         ` Namjae Jeon
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200115082822epcas1p37aca37dad0aa9159d7eddde01edfeec2@epcas1p3.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24     ` [PATCH v10 06/14] exfat: add fat entry operations Namjae Jeon
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200115082822epcas1p384d080724d8bb0a8cd4c3e3015a0895c@epcas1p3.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24     ` [PATCH v10 07/14] exfat: add bitmap operations Namjae Jeon
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200115082823epcas1p27ec5ff6d384f148d826529f573173b04@epcas1p2.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24     ` [PATCH v10 08/14] exfat: add exfat cache Namjae Jeon
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200115082824epcas1p4eb45d088c2f88149acb94563c4a9b276@epcas1p4.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24     ` [PATCH v10 09/14] exfat: add misc operations Namjae Jeon
2020-01-15 10:10       ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-01-15 13:30         ` Namjae Jeon
2020-01-15 13:38           ` Pali Rohár
2020-01-15 13:50             ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-01-15 14:24               ` Pali Rohár
2020-01-15 15:03                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-01-15 15:39                   ` Pali Rohár
2020-01-15 15:52                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-01-16 10:19                       ` Pali Rohár
2020-01-16 10:23                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-16 16:00                           ` Pali Rohár [this message]
2020-01-17  2:59                       ` Namjae Jeon
2020-01-17 10:13                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-01-17 12:13                           ` Namjae Jeon
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200115082824epcas1p23a0fa255a5833c6dcd2479b384f37740@epcas1p2.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24     ` [PATCH v10 10/14] exfat: add nls operations Namjae Jeon
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200115082825epcas1p1f22ddca6dbf5d70e65d3b0e3c25c3a59@epcas1p1.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24     ` [PATCH v10 11/14] exfat: add Kconfig and Makefile Namjae Jeon
2020-01-15  9:39       ` Pali Rohár
2020-01-17  4:22         ` Namjae Jeon
2020-01-17  9:12           ` Pali Rohár
2020-01-17 11:59             ` Namjae Jeon
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200115082825epcas1p4a0d63d53d8737a84fe8867bc1e63811e@epcas1p4.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24     ` [PATCH v10 12/14] exfat: add exfat in fs/Kconfig and fs/Makefile Namjae Jeon
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200115082826epcas1p117191a39ecccaef5a9b5cbe77b05c5a5@epcas1p1.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24     ` [PATCH v10 13/14] MAINTAINERS: add exfat filesystem Namjae Jeon
     [not found]   ` <CGME20200115082826epcas1p3475ce2b4d03234dc96ced428be582eb3@epcas1p3.samsung.com>
2020-01-15  8:24     ` [PATCH v10 14/14] staging: exfat: make staging/exfat and fs/exfat mutually exclusive Namjae Jeon
2020-01-15  8:56       ` Greg KH
2020-01-15 13:06         ` Namjae Jeon
2020-01-15  9:47   ` [PATCH v10 00/14] add the latest exfat driver Pali Rohár
2020-01-15 13:05     ` Namjae Jeon
2020-01-16 10:51     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-01-16 11:32       ` Pali Rohár
2020-01-16 13:01       ` Greg KH

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