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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	kernel-team@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] vfs: keep inodes with page cache off the inode shrinker LRU
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 13:20:54 -0500
Message-ID: <20200211182054.GA178155@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200211175507.178100-1-hannes@cmpxchg.org>

On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 12:55:07PM -0500, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> However, this change had to be reverted in 69056ee6a8a3 ("Revert "mm:
> don't reclaim inodes with many attached pages"") because it caused
> severe reclaim performance problems: Inodes that sit on the shrinker
> LRU are attracting reclaim pressure away from the page cache and
> toward the VFS. If we then permanently exempt sizable portions of this
> pool from actually getting reclaimed when looked at, this pressure
> accumulates as deferred shrinker work (a mechanism for *temporarily*
> unreclaimable objects) until it causes mayhem in the VFS cache pools.
> 
> In the bug quoted in 69056ee6a8a3 in particular, the excessive
> pressure drove the XFS shrinker into dirty objects, where it caused
> synchronous, IO-bound stalls, even as there was plenty of clean page
> cache that should have been reclaimed instead.

A note on testing: the patch behaves much better on my machine and the
inode shrinker doesn't drop hot page cache anymore, without noticable
downsides so far.

However, I tried to reproduce the xfs case that caused the
69056ee6a8a3 revert and haven't managed to do so yet on 5.5 plus the
reverted patch. I cannot provoke higher inode sync stalls in the xfs
shrinker regardless of shrinker strategy. Maybe something else changed
since 4.19 and it's less of a concern now.

Nonetheless, I'm interested in opinions on the premise of this
patch. And Yafang is working on his memcg-specific fix for this issue,
so I wanted to put this proposal on the table sooner than later.

Thanks

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Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-11 17:55 Johannes Weiner
2020-02-11 18:20 ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2020-02-11 19:05 ` Rik van Riel
2020-02-11 19:31   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-02-11 23:44     ` Andrew Morton
2020-02-12  0:28       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-12  0:47         ` Andrew Morton
2020-02-12  1:03           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-12  8:50             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-02-13  9:50               ` Lucas Stach
2020-02-13 16:52               ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-15 11:25                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-02-15 16:59                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-16  9:44                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-02-16 19:54                       ` Chris Paterson
2020-02-16 20:38                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-20 14:35                           ` Chris Paterson
2020-02-26 18:04                 ` santosh.shilimkar
2020-02-26 21:01                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-26 21:11                     ` santosh.shilimkar
2020-03-06 20:34                       ` Nishanth Menon
2020-03-07  1:08                         ` santosh.shilimkar
2020-03-08 10:58                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-03-08 14:19                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-03-09 13:33                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-03-09 14:04                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-03-09 15:04                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-03-10  9:16                                   ` Michal Hocko
2020-03-09 15:59                           ` Catalin Marinas
2020-03-09 16:09                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-03-09 16:57                               ` Catalin Marinas
2020-03-09 19:46                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-03-11 14:29                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-03-11 16:59                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-03-11 17:26                                     ` Catalin Marinas
2020-03-11 22:21                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-12  3:58         ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-02-12  8:09         ` Michal Hocko
2020-02-17 13:31         ` Pavel Machek
2020-02-12 16:35       ` Johannes Weiner
2020-02-12 18:26         ` Andrew Morton
2020-02-12 18:52           ` Johannes Weiner
2020-02-12 12:25 ` Yafang Shao
2020-02-12 16:42   ` Johannes Weiner
2020-02-13  1:47     ` Yafang Shao
2020-02-13 13:46       ` Johannes Weiner
2020-02-14  2:02         ` Yafang Shao
2020-02-13 18:34 ` [PATCH v2] " Johannes Weiner
2020-02-14 16:53 ` [PATCH] " kbuild test robot
2020-02-14 21:30 ` kbuild test robot
2020-02-14 21:30 ` [PATCH] vfs: fix boolreturn.cocci warnings kbuild test robot

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