From: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
"Darrick J . Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] tools/memory-model: document the "one-time init" pattern
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:02:47 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200718010247.GC2183@sol.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200717175138.GB1156312@rowland.harvard.edu>
On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 01:51:38PM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 06:47:50PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 09:44:27PM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> ...
> > > + /* on success, pairs with smp_load_acquire() above and below */
> > > + if (cmpxchg_release(&foo, NULL, p) != NULL) {
> >
> > Why do we have cmpxchg_release() anyway? Under what circumstances is
> > cmpxchg() useful _without_ having release semantics?
>
> To answer just the last question: cmpxchg() is useful for lock
> acquisition, in which case it needs to have acquire semantics rather
> than release semantics.
>
To clarify, there are 4 versions of cmpxchg:
cmpxchg(): does ACQUIRE and RELEASE (on success)
cmpxchg_acquire(): does ACQUIRE only (on success)
cmpxchg_release(): does RELEASE only (on success)
cmpxchg_relaxed(): no barriers
The problem here is that here we need RELEASE on success and ACQUIRE on failure.
But no version guarantees any barrier on failure.
So as far as I can tell, the best we can do is use cmpxchg_release() (or
cmpxchg() which would be stronger but unnecessary), followed by a separate
ACQUIRE on failure.
- Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-07-18 1:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-07-17 4:44 [PATCH] tools/memory-model: document the "one-time init" pattern Eric Biggers
2020-07-17 5:49 ` Sedat Dilek
2020-07-17 12:35 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-17 14:26 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-17 17:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-17 17:51 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-18 1:02 ` Eric Biggers [this message]
2020-07-27 12:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-17 21:05 ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-07-18 0:44 ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-07-18 1:38 ` Eric Biggers
2020-07-18 2:13 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-18 5:28 ` Eric Biggers
2020-07-18 14:35 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-20 2:07 ` Dave Chinner
2020-07-20 9:00 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-07-27 15:17 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-27 15:28 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-27 16:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-07-27 16:31 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-27 16:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-27 19:13 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-17 20:53 ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-07-18 0:58 ` Eric Biggers
2020-07-18 1:25 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-18 1:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-18 2:00 ` Dave Chinner
2020-07-18 14:21 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-18 2:00 ` Eric Biggers
2020-07-18 1:42 ` Dave Chinner
2020-07-18 14:08 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-20 1:33 ` Dave Chinner
2020-07-20 14:52 ` Alan Stern
2020-07-20 15:37 ` Darrick J. Wong
2020-07-20 15:39 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-20 16:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-07-20 16:48 ` peterz
2020-07-20 22:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-07-20 16:12 ` Alan Stern
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