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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] bcachefs
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 19:33:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230628-global-gewebe-c7491691d780@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4b863e62-4406-53e4-f96a-f4d1daf098ab@kernel.dk>

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:57:02AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 6/28/23 8:58?AM, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > On 6/27/23 10:01?PM, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 09:16:31PM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
> >>> On 6/27/23 2:15?PM, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> >>>>> to ktest/tests/xfstests/ and run it with -bcachefs, otherwise it kept
> >>>>> failing because it assumed it was XFS.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I suspected this was just a timing issue, and it looks like that's
> >>>>> exactly what it is. Looking at the test case, it'll randomly kill -9
> >>>>> fsstress, and if that happens while we have io_uring IO pending, then we
> >>>>> process completions inline (for a PF_EXITING current). This means they
> >>>>> get pushed to fallback work, which runs out of line. If we hit that case
> >>>>> AND the timing is such that it hasn't been processed yet, we'll still be
> >>>>> holding a file reference under the mount point and umount will -EBUSY
> >>>>> fail.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As far as I can tell, this can happen with aio as well, it's just harder
> >>>>> to hit. If the fput happens while the task is exiting, then fput will
> >>>>> end up being delayed through a workqueue as well. The test case assumes
> >>>>> that once it's reaped the exit of the killed task that all files are
> >>>>> released, which isn't necessarily true if they are done out-of-line.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah, I traced it through to the delayed fput code as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not sure delayed fput is responsible here; what I learned when I was
> >>>> tracking this down has mostly fell out of my brain, so take anything I
> >>>> say with a large grain of salt. But I believe I tested with delayed_fput
> >>>> completely disabled, and found another thing in io_uring with the same
> >>>> effect as delayed_fput that wasn't being flushed.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not saying it's delayed_fput(), I'm saying it's the delayed putting
> >>> io_uring can end up doing. But yes, delayed_fput() is another candidate.
> >>
> >> Sorry - was just working through my recollections/initial thought
> >> process out loud
> > 
> > No worries, it might actually be a combination and this is why my
> > io_uring side patch didn't fully resolve it. Wrote a simple reproducer
> > and it seems to reliably trigger it, but is fixed with an flush of the
> > delayed fput list on mount -EBUSY return. Still digging...
> 
> I discussed this with Christian offline. I have a patch that is pretty
> simple, but it does mean that you'd wait for delayed fput flush off
> umount. Which seems kind of iffy.
> 
> I think we need to back up a bit and consider if the kill && umount
> really is sane. If you kill a task that has open files, then any fput
> from that task will end up being delayed. This means that the umount may
> very well fail.

That's why we have MNT_DETACH:

umount2("/mnt", MNT_DETACH)

will succeed even if fds are still open.

> 
> It'd be handy if we could have umount wait for that to finish, but I'm
> not at all confident this is a sane solution for all cases. And as
> discussed, we have no way to even identify which files we'd need to
> flush out of the delayed list.
> 
> Maybe the test case just needs fixing? Christian suggested lazy/detach
> umount and wait for sb release. There's an fsnotify hook for that,
> fsnotify_sb_delete(). Obviously this is a bit more involved, but seems
> to me that this would be the way to make it more reliable when killing
> of tasks with open files are involved.

You can wait on superblock destruction today in multiple ways. Roughly
from the shell this should work:

        root@wittgenstein:~# cat sb_wait.sh
        #! /bin/bash
        
        echo "WARNING WARNING: I SUCK AT SHELL SCRIPTS"
        
        echo "mount fs"
        sudo mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /mnt
        touch /mnt/bla
        
        echo "pin sb by random file for 5s"
        sleep 5 > /mnt/bla &
        
        echo "establish inotify watch for sb destruction"
        inotifywait -e unmount /mnt &
        pid=$!
        
        echo "regular umount - will fail..."
        umount /mnt
        
        findmnt | grep "/mnt"
        
        echo "lazily umount - will succeed"
        umount -l /mnt
        
        findmnt | grep "/mnt"
        
        echo "and now we wait"
        wait $!
        
        echo "done"

Can also use a tiny bpf lsm, fanotify in the future as we plans for
that.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-28 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-26 21:46 [GIT PULL] bcachefs Kent Overstreet
2023-06-26 23:11 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27  0:06   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27  1:13     ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27  2:05       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27  2:59         ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27  3:10           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 17:16           ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27 20:15             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27 22:05               ` Dave Chinner
2023-06-27 22:41                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 14:40                 ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 14:48                   ` Thomas Weißschuh
2023-06-28 14:58                     ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28  3:16               ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28  4:01                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 14:58                   ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 15:22                     ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 17:56                       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 20:45                         ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 16:57                     ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 17:33                       ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2023-06-28 17:52                       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 20:44                         ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 21:17                           ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 22:13                             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 22:33                               ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 22:55                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 23:14                                   ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 23:50                                     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-29  1:00                                       ` Dave Chinner
2023-06-29  1:33                                         ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-29 11:18                                           ` Christian Brauner
2023-06-29 14:17                                             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-29 15:31                                             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-30  9:40                                               ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-06 15:20                                                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 16:26                                                   ` Jens Axboe
2023-07-06 16:34                                                     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-29  1:29                                       ` Jens Axboe
2023-07-06 20:15                             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 17:54                     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 20:54                       ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 22:14                         ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-28 23:04                           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-28 23:11                             ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27  2:33       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27  2:59         ` Jens Axboe
2023-06-27  3:19           ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-06-27  3:22             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-06-27  3:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-06-27  4:36   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 15:56 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 16:40   ` Josef Bacik
2023-07-06 17:38     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 19:17       ` Eric Sandeen
2023-07-06 19:31         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-06 21:19       ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-07-06 22:43         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 13:13           ` Jan Kara
2023-07-07 13:52             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07  8:48         ` Christian Brauner
2023-07-07  9:18           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 16:26             ` James Bottomley
2023-07-07 16:48               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07 17:04                 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-07 17:26                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08  3:54               ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-07-08  4:10                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08  4:31                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08 15:02                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-07-08 15:23                     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-08 16:42                 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-09  1:16                   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07  9:35           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-07  2:04       ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-07-07 12:18       ` Brian Foster
2023-07-07 14:49         ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12  2:54   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12 19:48     ` Kees Cook
2023-07-12 19:57       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-07-12 22:10     ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-07-12 23:57       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-09  1:27     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-10 15:54       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-10 16:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-10 18:02           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-10 18:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-10 17:52         ` Jan Kara
2023-08-11  2:47           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11  8:10             ` Jan Kara
2023-08-11  8:13               ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-10 22:39         ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-08-10 23:47           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-11  2:40             ` Jens Axboe
2023-08-11  4:03             ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11  5:20               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-11  5:29                 ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11  5:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-08-11  7:52                     ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-11 14:31                     ` Jens Axboe
2023-08-11  3:45           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-21  0:09             ` Dave Chinner
2023-08-10 23:07         ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-08-11 10:54         ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-11 12:58           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-14  7:25             ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-14 15:23               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11 13:21           ` Kent Overstreet
2023-08-11 22:56             ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-08-14  7:21             ` Christian Brauner
2023-08-14 15:27               ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-03  3:25 Kent Overstreet
2023-09-05 13:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-06  0:00   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-06  0:41     ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-06 16:10       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-06 17:57         ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-08  9:37     ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-06 19:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 20:02   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 20:20     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 21:55       ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-09-06 23:13         ` David Sterba
2023-09-06 23:34           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-06 23:46             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-09-06 23:53               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2023-09-06 23:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-10  0:53       ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-07 20:37   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-07 20:51     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-07 23:40   ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-08  6:29     ` Martin Steigerwald
2023-09-08  9:11     ` Joshua Ashton
2023-09-06 22:28 ` Nathan Chancellor
2023-09-07  0:03   ` Kees Cook
2023-09-07 14:29     ` Chris Mason
2023-09-07 20:39     ` Kent Overstreet
2023-09-08 10:50       ` Brian Foster
2023-09-08 23:05     ` Dave Chinner

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