From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, Andrew Vagin <avagin@virtuozzo.com>,
Andrey Vagin <avagin@openvz.org>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
"criu@openvz.org" <criu@openvz.org>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5 RFC] Add an interface to discover relationships between namespaces
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 21:00:32 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <40e35f1a-10e6-b7a5-936e-a09f008be0d0@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87popxkjjp.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>
Hi Eric,
On 07/28/2016 02:56 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 07/26/2016 10:39 PM, Andrew Vagin wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 09:17:31PM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>
>>> If we want to compare two file descriptors of the current process,
>>> it is one of cases for which kcmp can be used. We can call kcmp to
>>> compare two namespaces which are opened in other processes.
>>
>> Is there really a use case there? I assume we're talking about the
>> scenario where a process in one namespace opens a /proc/PID/ns/*
>> file descriptor and passes that FD to another process via a UNIX
>> domain socket. Is that correct?
>>
>> So, supposing that we want to build a map of the relationships
>> between namespaces using the proposed kcmp() API, and there are
>> say N namespaces? Does this mena we make (N * (N-1) / 2) calls
>> to kcmp()?
>
> Potentially. The numbers are small enough O(N^2) isn't fatal.
Define "small", please.
O(N^2) makes me nervous about what other use cases lurk out
there that may get bitten by this.
> Where kcmp shines is that it allows migration to happen. Inode numbers
> to change (which they very much will today), and still have things work.
> We can keep it O(Nlog(N)) by taking advantage of not just the equality
> but the ordering relationship. Although Ugh.
Yes, that sounds pretty ugly...
>One disadvantage of
> kcmp currently is that the way the ordering relationship is defined
> the order is not preserved over migration :(
So, does kcmp() fully solve the proble(s) at hand? It sounds like
not, if I understand your last point correctly.
--
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-07-28 19:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-07-14 18:20 [PATCH 0/5 RFC] Add an interface to discover relationships between namespaces Andrey Vagin
2016-07-14 18:20 ` [PATCH 1/5] namespaces: move user_ns into ns_common Andrey Vagin
2016-07-15 12:21 ` kbuild test robot
2016-07-14 18:20 ` [PATCH 2/5] kernel: add a helper to get an owning user namespace for a namespace Andrey Vagin
2016-07-14 19:07 ` W. Trevor King
2016-07-14 18:20 ` [PATCH 3/5] nsfs: add ioctl to get an owning user namespace for ns file descriptor Andrey Vagin
2016-07-14 18:48 ` W. Trevor King
2016-07-14 18:20 ` [PATCH 4/5] nsfs: add ioctl to get a parent namespace Andrey Vagin
2016-07-14 18:20 ` [PATCH 5/5] tools/testing: add a test to check nsfs ioctl-s Andrey Vagin
2016-07-14 22:02 ` [PATCH 0/5 RFC] Add an interface to discover relationships between namespaces Andrey Vagin
2016-07-15 2:12 ` [PATCH 1/5] namespaces: move user_ns into ns_common Andrey Vagin
2016-07-15 2:12 ` [PATCH 2/5] kernel: add a helper to get an owning user namespace for a namespace Andrey Vagin
2016-07-24 5:03 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-24 6:37 ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-24 14:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-24 17:05 ` W. Trevor King
2016-07-24 16:54 ` W. Trevor King
2016-07-15 2:12 ` [PATCH 3/5] nsfs: add ioctl to get an owning user namespace for ns file descriptor Andrey Vagin
2016-07-15 2:12 ` [PATCH 4/5] nsfs: add ioctl to get a parent namespace Andrey Vagin
2016-07-24 5:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-15 2:12 ` [PATCH 5/5] tools/testing: add a test to check nsfs ioctl-s Andrey Vagin
2016-07-16 8:21 ` [PATCH 1/5] namespaces: move user_ns into ns_common kbuild test robot
2016-07-23 23:07 ` kbuild test robot
2016-07-24 5:00 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-24 5:54 ` Andrew Vagin
[not found] ` <87k2gbmy02.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-24 5:54 ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-24 5:54 ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-24 5:54 ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-24 5:10 ` [PATCH 0/5 RFC] Add an interface to discover relationships between namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 2:07 ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-21 14:41 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-21 21:06 ` Andrew Vagin
[not found] ` <20160721210650.GA10989-1ViLX0X+lBJGNQ1M2rI3KwRV3xvJKrda@public.gmane.org>
2016-07-22 6:48 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-22 18:25 ` Andrey Vagin
2016-07-25 11:47 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-25 13:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-25 14:46 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-25 14:54 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-07-25 15:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-25 14:59 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-26 2:54 ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-26 8:03 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-26 18:25 ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-26 18:32 ` W. Trevor King
2016-07-26 19:11 ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-26 19:17 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-26 20:39 ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-28 10:45 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-07-28 12:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-28 19:00 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) [this message]
2016-07-29 18:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-31 21:31 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-08-01 23:01 ` Andrew Vagin
2016-07-26 19:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-23 21:14 ` W. Trevor King
2016-07-23 21:38 ` James Bottomley
2016-07-23 21:58 ` W. Trevor King
2016-07-23 21:56 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-07-23 22:34 ` W. Trevor King
2016-07-24 4:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-08-01 18:20 ` Alban Crequy
2016-08-01 23:32 ` Andrew Vagin
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