From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/9] kernel: add a PF_FORCE_COMPAT flag
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 09:20:07 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <446566DF-ECBC-449C-92A1-A7D5AEBE9935@amacapital.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK8P3a39jN+t2hhLg0oKZnbYATQXmYE2-Z1JkmFyc1EPdg1HXw@mail.gmail.com>
> On Sep 22, 2020, at 2:01 AM, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 9:59 AM Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 22/09/2020 10:23, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 8:32 AM Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 22/09/2020 03:58, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 5:24 PM Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I may be looking at a different kernel than you, but aren't you
>>>>> preventing creating an io_uring regardless of whether SQPOLL is
>>>>> requested?
>>>>
>>>> I diffed a not-saved file on a sleepy head, thanks for noticing.
>>>> As you said, there should be an SQPOLL check.
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> if (ctx->compat && (p->flags & IORING_SETUP_SQPOLL))
>>>> goto err;
>>>
>>> Wouldn't that mean that now 32-bit containers behave differently
>>> between compat and native execution?
>>>
>>> I think if you want to prevent 32-bit applications from using SQPOLL,
>>> it needs to be done the same way on both to be consistent:
>>
>> The intention was to disable only compat not native 32-bit.
>
> I'm not following why that would be considered a valid option,
> as that clearly breaks existing users that update from a 32-bit
> kernel to a 64-bit one.
>
> Taking away the features from users that are still on 32-bit kernels
> already seems questionable to me, but being inconsistent
> about it seems much worse, in particular when the regression
> is on the upgrade path.
>
>>> Can we expect all existing and future user space to have a sane
>>> fallback when IORING_SETUP_SQPOLL fails?
>>
>> SQPOLL has a few differences with non-SQPOLL modes, but it's easy
>> to convert between them. Anyway, SQPOLL is a privileged special
>> case that's here for performance/latency reasons, I don't think
>> there will be any non-accidental users of it.
>
> Ok, so the behavior of 32-bit tasks would be the same as running
> the same application as unprivileged 64-bit tasks, with applications
> already having to implement that fallback, right?
>
>
I don’t have any real preference wrt SQPOLL, and it may be that we have a problem even without SQPOLL when IO gets punted without one of the fixes discussed.
But banning the mismatched io_uring and io_uring_enter seems like it may be worthwhile regardless.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-09-22 16:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-09-18 12:45 let import_iovec deal with compat_iovecs as well Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-18 12:45 ` [PATCH 1/9] kernel: add a PF_FORCE_COMPAT flag Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-18 13:40 ` Al Viro
2020-09-18 13:44 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-18 13:58 ` Al Viro
2020-09-18 15:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-19 16:21 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-19 21:16 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-09-19 21:52 ` Finn Thain
2020-09-19 22:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-21 16:10 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-09-21 16:13 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-09-21 23:51 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-22 0:22 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-09-22 0:58 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-22 6:30 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-09-22 7:23 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-09-22 7:57 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-09-22 9:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-09-22 16:20 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2020-09-23 8:01 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-09-23 13:22 ` Al Viro
2020-09-19 22:09 ` Al Viro
2020-09-19 22:23 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-19 22:41 ` Al Viro
2020-09-19 22:53 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-19 23:24 ` Al Viro
2020-09-20 0:14 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-20 2:57 ` Al Viro
2020-09-20 16:59 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-20 18:12 ` Al Viro
2020-09-20 13:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-09-20 15:02 ` Al Viro
2020-09-19 14:53 ` David Laight
2020-09-18 13:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-09-20 15:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-20 15:55 ` William Kucharski
2020-09-21 16:20 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-09-20 16:00 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-09-20 18:07 ` Al Viro
2020-09-20 18:41 ` Al Viro
2020-09-20 19:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-20 19:10 ` Al Viro
2020-09-20 19:22 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-20 19:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-20 20:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-09-20 21:13 ` David Laight
2020-09-21 16:31 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-09-20 21:42 ` Al Viro
2020-09-21 16:26 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-09-20 19:14 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-09-21 4:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-18 12:45 ` [PATCH 2/9] compat.h: fix a spelling error in <linux/compat.h> Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-18 13:37 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2020-09-18 12:45 ` [PATCH 3/9] fs: explicitly check for CHECK_IOVEC_ONLY in rw_copy_check_uvector Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-18 12:56 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-18 13:39 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2020-09-18 12:45 ` [PATCH 4/9] fs: handle the compat case in import_iovec Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-18 12:45 ` [PATCH 5/9] fs: remove various compat readv/writev helpers Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-18 12:45 ` [PATCH 6/9] fs: remove the compat readv/writev syscalls Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-18 12:45 ` [PATCH 7/9] fs: remove compat_sys_vmsplice Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-18 12:45 ` [PATCH 8/9] mm: remove compat_process_vm_{readv,writev} Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-18 13:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-09-18 12:45 ` [PATCH 9/9] security/keys: remove compat_keyctl_instantiate_key_iov Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-19 14:24 ` let import_iovec deal with compat_iovecs as well David Laight
2020-09-21 4:41 ` 'Christoph Hellwig'
2020-09-21 11:11 ` David Laight
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