From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Daniel Phillips Subject: Re: xfs: does mkfs.xfs require fancy switches to get decent performance? (was Tux3 Report: How fast can we fsync?) Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 12:37:41 -0700 Message-ID: <5553A805.5090601@phunq.net> References: <5552A844.6070806@phunq.net> <1804876.U7q4ey1Nv3@merkaba> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: David Lang , Theodore Ts'o , Howard Chu , Dave Chinner , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mike Galbraith , Pavel Machek , tux3@tux3.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, OGAWA Hirofumi To: Martin Steigerwald Return-path: In-Reply-To: <1804876.U7q4ey1Nv3@merkaba> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-Id: linux-fsdevel.vger.kernel.org On 05/13/2015 12:09 PM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Daniel, what are you trying to achieve here? >=20 > I thought you wanted to create interest for your filesystem and accep= tance=20 > for merging it. >=20 > What I see you are actually creating tough is something different. >=20 > Is what you see after you send your mails really what you want to see= ? If=20 > not=E2=80=A6 why not? And if you seek change, where can you create ch= ange? That is the question indeed, whether to try and change the system while merging, or just keep smiling and get the job done. The problem is, I am just too stupid to realize that I can't change the system, which is famously unpleasant for submitters. > I really like to see Tux3 inside the kernel for easier testing, yet I= also=20 > see that the way you, in your oppinion, "defend" it, does not seem to= move=20 > that goal any closer, quite the opposite. It triggers polarity and=20 > resistance. >=20 > I believe it to be more productive to work together with the people w= ho will=20 > decide about what goes into the kernel and the people whose oppinions= are=20 > respected by them, instead of against them. Obviously true. > "Assume good faith" can help here. No amount of accusing people of ba= d=20 > intention will change them. The only thing you have the power to chan= ge is=20 > your approach. You absolutely and ultimately do not have the power to= change=20 > other people. You can=C2=B4t force Tux3 in by sheer willpower or atta= cking=20 > people. >=20 > On any account for anyone discussing here: I believe that any persona= l=20 > attacks, counter-attacks or "you are wrong" kind of speech will not h= elp to=20 > move this discussion out of the circling it seems to be in at the mom= ent. Thanks for the sane commentary. I have the power to change my behavior. But if nobody else changes their behavior, the process remains just as unpleasant for us as it ever was (not just me!). Obviously, this is not the first time I have been through this, and it has never been pleasant. After a while, contributors just get tired of the grind and move on to something more fun. I know I did, and I am far from the only one. Regards, Daniel